Selfish DPS Balance

[Osteichthyes]

As a SAM, what I would like to see is "Merciful Eyes" proc for Third Eye become an AoE and increase Third Eye's CD. It doesn't really heal that much and Third Eye isn't really that useful (most things you either straight out survive or straight up die on anyways), but by having this as an AoE heal now it can very slightly alleviate pressure off the healers during room-spam attacks. It isn't boosting power, but it is providing utility in preserving maybe 1-2 casts or allowing the healer to throw out an offensive spell or whatever.

The last thing that SAM needs is anything that increases damage, or becoming reliant of anyone. It needs to have utility that is a luxury, but ultimately not a crutch. This would make Third Eye more useful and add more depth.

[miraidensetsu]

There's such a thing as selfish utility, aka taking but not giving.
BRD and MCH already have this with DRGs piercing debuff.

For example, Ley Lines could gain a trait that increases spellspeed even further if other party members stand in your Ley Lines.
Indirectly increasing the rDPS of any healer or caster who designs to stick with them.

Ley lines could also increase the Spellspeed (at a minor rate than the BLM) of anyone who teps there, incentivizing other casters to get near the BLM and futher incresing the pDPS of the healers.

[Sylvain]

Ley lines could also increase the Spellspeed (at a minor rate than the BLM) of anyone who teps there, incentivizing other casters to get near the BLM and futher incresing the pDPS of the healers.

The problem with these kind of change is that it only grants rdps if you have the right comp. But because it can grant rdps, SE would end up beefing BLM to compensate.

This is a bit like dragoon, their personal dps is lower because they can provide 300 to 600 rdps just with disembowel.

Technically speaking, any buff that affect a specific amount of job does not promote raid diversity.

A ninja with trick attack fits into any group, a dragoon with disembowel fits in a group with a least one ranged. (not a hard requirement I give you that)

If you want to promote group diversity, removing weapon debuff is the first step.

[Caitlyn]

we had a somewhat reasonable idea to increase the viability of selfish DPS jobs like SAM, BLM, maybe MCH is they decide to make it the selfish DPS of the ranged DPS jobs.

How is MCH supposed to be a selfish ranged DPS job? Hypercharge and Dismantle are actually very strong utilities.

[Remedi]

How is MCH supposed to be a selfish ranged DPS job? Hypercharge and Dismantle are actually very strong utilities.

I guess he implies that to make them selfish the idea is for those utility to go away

[Sylvain]

How is MCH supposed to be a selfish ranged DPS job? Hypercharge and Dismantle are actually very strong utilities.

Yup, however I'd like MCH to be a selfish dps range job. With bard as the ultimate support for alternative, there is really no need to have all job within the same category to be support jobs.

With only 2 supportive skills, it wouldn't be hard to make the MCH the BLM of the range.

[Okamimaru]

The real problem with the meta is how much it's pushed despite 95% of the player base nowhere near the level of play where the meta really matters... anyone requiring meta comps for pugs is an idiot...

[HoodRat]

The real problem with the meta is how much it's pushed despite 95% of the player base nowhere near the level of play where the meta really matters... anyone requiring meta comps for pugs is an idiot...

I'd rather have a terrible nin or drg that does less damage than me and slightly buffs my dps with their poor cd timings than a terrible sam or blm that just does less damage than me.

[Okamimaru]

I'd rather have a terrible nin or drg that does less damage than me and slightly buffs my dps with their poor cd timings than a terrible sam or blm that just does less damage than me.

A terrible DRG or NIN won't be using his buffs at all... hence them being terrible... off timed buffs is a mediocre player...

[Wayfinder3]

A terrible DRG or NIN won't be using his buffs at all... hence them being terrible... off timed buffs is a mediocre player...

except dragoons most potent buff is a combo, unfortuantely they'll still be pretty valuable