First Time bonus - abandon?

[Luin]

I find your view to be extremely negative. It encourages the mind set that no one's time is more important than your own. The majority of a cut scene already takes place before and after a dungeon. The cut scene we see is merely the boss's entrance. Some bosses with more significance to the story might have some dialogue such as Midgarsormr (I seriously watch his cut scene every time just to hear his 2.0 voice!), but these are few and far between. Especially after 2.x.


Nobody's time is more important than another's. I seriously grow tired of the trite argument about paid subs. We ARE A COMMUNITY, and you have seem to lost sight of this.

And I find your view to be wasting my time. If you only do 2 or 3 dungeons a day then it's just like 5 minutes for you. But if you're spamming dungeons leveling then suddenly I'm losing hours of time watching the same cutscenes over and over.

OP's suggestion is that if there's a bonus, make cutscenes unskippable. That's what OP suggested.

Do you have any idea how much of a fiasco this would make doing new content? Every single clear party would have a 2 minute cutscene.

All that would mean for me, is I exclude all new players. It would make pugging impossible. And even when not pugging, I would still be forced to watch those cutscenes just because somebody else wanted them in their instance, even if they aren't in my party!

I seriously grow tired of the trite argument that you define what is good for the community. You're no more apart of the community than I, or anybody else, am, so why are you the only one to have a say? You say that nobody's opinion has any more value than another, and then immediately dismiss everybody else.

Harassment is harassment. Cutscenes are cutscenes. Watch your cutscenes. Handle harassment as harassment. It's a game, play it as you want to play. You want to watch cutscenes, then watch them. I don't, so I'll skip them.

Can we please stop using these two instances like they are the norm? These are the only two instances where viewing the cut scenes lengthens the duration of the dungeon by a great deal. Nobody, and I do mean NOBODY is forcing you to do these roulettes unless you are at that point in the MSQ, in which case this player needs help to get through it. We now know what they entail. Don't hop in there knowing about the unskippable cut scenes and then complain about them afterwards.

If you read the original poster's suggestion, this would be the norm.

[Felis]

Do you have any idea how much of a fiasco this would make doing new content? Every single clear party would have a 2 minute cutscene.

How many dungeons/trials have a 2 minute CS after the one at the start? The one at the start don't count, because the circle block you from running forward anyway. And those after the clear don't count, too.

[Akamadoshi]

<everything you wrote>

Also, you indeed DO NOT get the first timer bonus if the new player disbands, gets kicked, or DCs. In order to get your bonus, they need to get their clear.

Thank you so much, reading your response made me smile very much , I appreciate your understanding. Thank you also for reply!

[Aomine1992]

Can we please stop using these two instances like they are the norm? These are the only two instances where viewing the cut scenes lengthens the duration of the dungeon by a great deal. Nobody, and I do mean NOBODY is forcing you to do these roulettes unless you are at that point in the MSQ, in which case this player needs help to get through it. We now know what they entail. Don't hop in there knowing about the unskippable cut scenes and then complain about them afterwards.

Well thanks for the concern but it was on an alt I had to do it....if you would have read the rest of my comment so yes I know it's unskippable but you do have to go through it for MSQ purposes....

[Nikoru]

I think if they just didn't allow you to engage in the fight while someone is in a cutscene might help, so then you're not forced to watch something again and again and it gives those who want to watch them a chance. Because expecting people to have manners is too much to ask these days it seems. :']

I'm really sorry you had to deal with that, it sucks.

[LalaRu]

... skipping immediately after the -15 second notice-...

Here is your error.
Enjoy your cutscene and stop to care for the people that, as you noticed, doesn't care about you.

[Baingoleth]

Unfortunately there are players who are inconsiderate of others. I think the majority of players are nice but the inconsiderate ones often act like bullies. In group content, the inconsiderate ones tend to run ahead and aggro bosses before everyone in the party is ready. What often happens then is that many people who are actually nice get fear of missing out and run in to fight the boss rather than letting the inconsiderate player solo and die.

Starting a party finder doesn't always work either. I have had great party finder experiences where the people who joined waited for me so I could see all of the content but that is not always the case. Not too long ago, I started a party finder for "The Binding Coil of Bahamut - Turn 1" because I had not done that raid before and I wanted to see it. The 2 players who joined ran ahead while I was watching the first really short cutscene and I was unable to catch up before they had finished the raid. One of the players told me that he only joined to get the bonus. He didn't care at all that I wanted to see the raid. Some people are just really poorly socialized and treat group content like a single player experience.

Would making all cutscenes unskippable solve this? Maybe it would. I don't know. I am having no trouble getting into MSQ roulette as WHM or as BLM. The longest I have had to wait is 35 minutes. I don't know of any other group content with cutscenes longer than a few minutes really.

[Mixt]

My response to not being allowed to watch cutscenes is to refuse to participate in the fight.

And since i'm the tank...WIPE!

And when they inevitably complain about it i tell them that it's their own fault, which just makes them rage harder.
Well, screw you folks, you started it so stop bitching.
Cue the Vote Kick and then them standing around for half an hour waiting for a replacement tank, wasting far more time than if they had just let me watch that dang cutscene.

[RiyahArp]

Cue the Vote Kick and then them standing around for half an hour waiting for a replacement tank, wasting far more time than if they had just let me watch that dang cutscene.

Riyah: Hey, brb I'm going to switch to tank instead of dps.
-leaves instance, changes to tank, queues in progress.
-rejoins party.
-dps joins one minute later.

Just, well be careful with that bro.

[Paladinleeds]

Riyah: Hey, brb I'm going to switch to tank instead of dps.
-leaves instance, changes to tank, queues in progress.
-rejoins party.
-dps joins one minute later.

Just, well be careful with that bro.

Yep. And I'd also blacklist him for it. Bear in mind I have almost everything in combat as max level, I can do near enough anything. And if they kicked him (as to whether or not I agree to the vote kick depends on what happened and how he phrased it), I would almost certainly say "brb swapping to tank" and doing as you said there. After all, might as well get that duty cleared. But as a tank he gets quick queues so there is that I guess.