New alliance loot rules discussion

[TaiyoShikasu]

While the weekly lockout is in place, it's not such a big deal. People aren't going to waste their one item limit rolling on anything, you go in usually with a specific piece or set in mind. Realistically you're only going to be rolling against maybe one or two other people on any given run.

And yet there are countless accounts that say otherwise.

[chivere]

I hate this change so much I finally registered for the official forums to voice my dissent.

People could already gear up alt jobs before with greed. I geared up several in Rabanastre this way. It just meant I didn't have equal pickings as someone who was playing as that class, which is as it should be. How frustrating is it going to be for a new player, a fresh 70 trying to catch up in ilvl, running the Lighthouse and being unable to get gear for the one job they have at max level?

But where this change really sucks is old 24-mans. Forget trying to collect glamour sets out of Weeping City; now one person could win more than half the rolls no matter what job. I used to happily greed roll everything in the old raids so I could turn it in for seals. Now I feel guilty about it, like what if someone is in here because they really want something for a glamour?

[TaiyoShikasu]

"But with the lockout..."

That existed before and it was fine. Not perfect because of how RNG works, but better than piling more RNG on top of RNG. And actually made what is largely a catch up mechanic actually viable for catching up.

This system is also punishing to those who don't have multiple jobs at max level when you can go an entire run and never see anything for your job drop.

[Kadeim_Sideria]

man i was so excited to try ridorana lighthouse and get that sweet sweet 360 gear as a returning player, only to have a BLM and WAR take my healer gear. Seriously greed only? This has got to be one of the most bizarre changes to date. I run the 24 mans for gear catchup and the coin at the end, yet i see zero point in doing this for the gear, because people who dont even have a job leveled to use it will take it. This change is not only bad for the game, but toxic for the community. I understand the intention was to make the runs quicker by enticing those with their best geared class to run, but in practice its a complete and total flop. why would i want the added frustration of tanking or healing when someone mindlessly DPSing is going to take healer or tank gear.

Please revert the change or find something that resonates with everyone, and doesnt screw over your lower geared playerbase.

[TaiyoShikasu]

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Honestly the whole allowing people to run as their best job doesn't even hold up. Alliance raids are casual content and mechanics matter more than DPS.

Sure you'll feel real good with your super high DPS on your max ilevel job until you die to a mechanic and considering how forgiving the mechanics are, no one cares about the minimum ilevel samurai doing their 123 combo because it's not gonna wipe the raid.

[Burmecia]

...I raid savage casually, so I do not "need" gear from 24mans for stats.
BUT
I've always waited for these raids for two reasons.
1) Atmosphere. I've soft spot for large group effort. Well, when it is fun it's REALLY FUN, and when it's horrible it's just awful. But I feed the chaos all the same xD For the same reason I still partake to Odin/Ixion/Ultima Online kills whenever possible
2) GLAMOUR. I know, I know, vanity. But that's what kept me actually farming. I liked knowing that even on my frustrating 12th weekly run, if what I want drops I'm gonna have it. And other times if I didn't absolutely need my role spesific gear I never had problem passing for someone else.

I do not like this change, and I hope it gets overturned.
I'm not... seething with ire or anything here. It was kinda surprise to myself too how much pretty old gear from these raids means to me. I've few alts, so I was not gonna run out of pieces to farm. My current raiding main is missing Light sets body and Demon sets sabatons. But without Need as option I'm probably just gonna give up on this hobby of mine. I've lost 3 tank bodies from newest Ivalice raid this week; ended up picking belt because I was out of steam to try again. And what comest to incomplete sets sitting in my saddle bag, I can always turn what I have into seals, but I think I'll hold onto them a little while longer. To see if this is gonna be permanent change. Landslide of negative feedback still gives me hope <3

[burgil]

For me, I typically don't need anything in raid content unless it's for glamour, then greed for if i need fodder for GC seals. With this new system however, I'm kind of at a loss? I don't want to potentially greed over anyone else who might ACTUALLY need/want it just because I want to trade it in for seals. So now I feel like I shouldn't be touching anything? Then too, to be running something as one class forever and FINALLY see that glamour drop, only to have it be greed rolled out from under you? feels bad man...

Honestly I'm really hoping they just change it back to how it was. I think I understand the intent; but I still feel it would be better if people just ran as the classes they wanted the gear for.

[Ever_]

I am fine with Armor piece droop system. It is fine. Can do couple runs and roll on piece what needed but I really hard dislike Minion, Triple Triad and Orchestrion roll system. There is big problem in farming these rare droop minions like 2B or Black Pod. First of all it droops like maybe every 10th run plus also 24 people most likely roll on it. There is no way to farm it. It is pure luck droop and even bigger gamble on roll. My suggestion would be add these minions to NPC and as currency use coins what droops is these dungeons. It would be ok even if price would be 99. Could use same system as trials. For me true end game is collect minions, mounts and glamour but this alliance raid loot system just frutrate so much.

[Iscah]

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This is a two-year-old thread from a period where loot rolls were greed-only.