4.3 is amazing

**Asiragan** · 05-24-2018 09:13 PM

Originally Posted by Remedi

I'll corect myself and say ANY raid.
That said by goi8ng with your own point of doing each dungeon once = done forever (which mind you you are comparing an entire format to one patch)

You need to read my post again, since I never said that. I precisely said that, given how it was designed, you can very well do the same dungeon for the 100th time.

But SE fail at this point, and most dungeon are irrelevant after the first time, if it wasn't for the roulette and tome, they would be pretty empty.

Plus, aren't you the one that brung Wow Vanilla on this topic ? I just compared two expac, Heavensward and BC. (And BC Was like... 11 years ago, I believe?)

And yes, BC didn't bring much. Heroic dungeon, Daylies, New raid format, flying and the token system, two new races and some change to the class restriction. It wasn't game breaking, but a lot of these were news in the MMO world.

Can we say the same about Heavensward and Stormblood ? I don't think so.

And I'm not taking FFXI as an exemple since I never played it. But from what I heard, this game sure got it's fare share of innovation trough the different expansion.

**Maero** · 05-24-2018 09:20 PM

I have just done the new 24 man, new dungeon and the beast tribe and they have all been good. I really wish the Deep Dungeon was this patch as well and not a later patch

**CaptainLagbeard** · 05-25-2018 12:05 AM

I wish I could do the content, but Lighthouse's loot RNG keeps me locked running it over and over...

Best way to make new content old and stale 2 days in.

**ElazulHP** · 05-25-2018 12:26 AM

I'd rate the MSQ as an A+. The feels oh the feels! Great story as usual. Namazu beast tribe is cute and fun. I'd rate that an A+ as well. The new 24 man raid... I got two main complaints. (1) Greed Only loot rule is just dumb and goes against two decades of MMO ettiquette. (2) Math in the final boss has revealed the state of the education system in the United States. My first attempt yesterday at this raid did great up until this point then a huge failure. Almost everybody died at this point and then it quickly devolved into petty insults and people left in droves and then was quickly vote abandoned. I'd give this experience a D.

Still need to do the rest, but i'm going more casual this patch so probably won't get to EX trial until this weekend.

**Remedi** · 05-25-2018 03:46 AM

Originally Posted by Asiragan

You need to read my post again, since I never said that. I precisely said that, given how it was designed, you can very well do the same dungeon for the 100th time.

But SE fail at this point, and most dungeon are irrelevant after the first time, if it wasn't for the roulette and tome, they would be pretty empty.

Plus, aren't you the one that brung Wow Vanilla on this topic ? I just compared two expac, Heavensward and BC. (And BC Was like... 11 years ago, I believe?)

And yes, BC didn't bring much. Heroic dungeon, Daylies, New raid format, flying and the token system, two new races and some change to the class restriction. It wasn't game breaking, but a lot of these were news in the MMO world.

Can we say the same about Heavensward and Stormblood ? I don't think so.

And I'm not taking FFXI as an exemple since I never played it. But from what I heard, this game sure got it's fare share of innovation trough the different expansion.

If you want glamour dungeons aren't irrelevant, also if you like doing dungeons they are not irrilevant either, I don't like any kind of agrument that states that I've done this in 30 min and it means it's done forever.

I don't agree that you are fair in saying that BC was newer than HW compared to their respectvie precedent, because frankly the improvements brough into their respective game was on the same note yet you consider BC the better product for reason I don't understand and frankly don't think will agree upon.
That said I've seen ppl even saying that 3.1 was a better patch than 4.3 at this point it's better if I avoid this discussion altogerther if I have to contend with this ludicruous notion

**MOZZYSTAR** · 05-25-2018 01:24 PM

~~I just wanted them to be happy. orz~~
I loved it as well, but... :'( :'(((

My frown cannot get big or long enough :'(

Spoilers

SE, STOP KILLING THE AMAZING WOMEN WHO TURN INTO PRIMALS AND LET GOSETSU AND TSUYU BE HAPPY. THANKS.

**Wilford111** · 05-25-2018 01:59 PM

Originally Posted by Tanathya

To me, so far, probably one of the worst patches since A Realm Reborn was released. If not the worst, probably up there with 3.1 or so. Only positive thing about it is how nice the new primal looks, but that's more of a personal thingy, and the gorgeous looking (but staggeringly boring) new dungeon.

Explain what's bad about the patch. I'm personally loving it.

**Belhi** · 05-25-2018 05:56 PM

This patch was certainly good from a narrative perspective. Not only the big beats like in the MSQ but the small stories being carried forward present in the Doman Enclave rebuilding, the Namazu dailies, Kuranei's Custom Deliveries and even the small saltery side quest. Particularly the small stuff as a backdrop gives a sense of the story of the world progressing beyond the main events.

Beyond that I have enjoyed the content (save for that one fetch quest in the 24 man questline that felt rather out of place) and, particularly as someone with crafting classes, there has been plenty to chew on.

**Darric** · 05-25-2018 06:23 PM

As I can see, you certainly enjoy it very much. Well, watched some vids the other day and stuff looks pretty neat. Makes me almost want to catch up.
Almost.
Shame tho, that a good amount of people managed to turn me off before this patch hit the game.
Wouldn't want to get flamed and kicked for messing up first time in new content, now would we...?
Don't get me wrong, even a new exp doesnt make me feel welcome for actually doing things right and still run into the wrong people - while all you want is just to have fun.

**Asiragan** · 05-25-2018 06:32 PM

Originally Posted by Remedi

If you want glamour dungeons aren't irrelevant, also if you like doing dungeons they are not irrilevant either, I don't like any kind of agrument that states that I've done this in 30 min and it means it's done forever.

You have a point, there. Of course, dungeons are still relevant if you want glamour, or if you just like them. But at this point, even dungeon from A.R.R and H.W. are still relevant if you need glamour from them.

When I talk about relevance, it's more about the fact that you gain nothing, gear-wise, whether it's by upgrading or gaining more stuff from the new dungeon.

As for the difference between 3.1 and 4.3 :

For 3.1 :

* New R24 : Void Arch
* New beast tribe : The Vanu Vanu
* New Primal : Thordan ex
* More MSQ
* 2 dungeons
* Lord of Verminion
* 9 New haircuts (male and female) and 2 emotes
* More recipes/items for crafter/gatherer
* /gpose function
* Some QoL change
* The Diadem (ver. 1.0)
* Anima weapon quest for 3.15
* The Scholasticate side story quest line for 3.15

For 4.3 :

* New R24 : the Ridorana Lighthouse
* New beast tribe : The namazu
* New primal : ??? (spoiler)
* More MSQ
* 1 dungeon
* 3 haircut and 4 emote (according to ffxivdb, don't know if they are all available)
* More recipes/items for crafter/gatherer
* Some QoL change
* Ultima Arma (ultimate) for 4.31
* Deep Dungeon - Heaven-on-High for 4.35
* New Hildibrand quest for 4.35
* Eureka pagos for 4.36

So the 4.3 is basically worse than the 3.1, content wise, mostly because the new Deep dungeon is delayed until 4.35.
With Heaven-on-High and Eureka, it will have more content than 3.1, tough. How long will this content stay relevant is another mater, since we can't judge it for now as it's not available yet.

And I agree, let's stop this comparaison between BC and Heavensward, it's meaningless. You haven't explained why you think they are equivalent, but at this point it's becoming irrelevant anyway. Let's stay on topic.

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