Thread: Revelations from Patch 4.3

MSQ ... I have no idea how to add spoiler tag ^^;; will edit further if needed!
nevermind, I think I got it!

Shadowhunter is definitely Gaius! Look at his weapon and Gaius' concept art, it's the same!

Beyond that, he is the only garlean who could recognize Alphinaud as scion and have beef with the ascians. (I think? Livia is dead and in PotD as far as I know.)

On Yotsuyu, I thought her as primal would be cheap turn but I was so wrong. It was emotional and I admit I got teary in her final moments. Asahi got what he deserved. Patch villains don't live long but in this case I was happy it was Yotsuyu who offed him. The whole story made me wonder how many villains would have been a Tsuyu had they had a different upbringing?

The mysterious Elezen is most likely Zenos. Same eyecolor, same talking style, same move skills, talks about hunting... I only wish he snatched a Hyur body just cause I'm a bit tired of seeing Elezen since Heavensward haha, but it's just personal preference. Plus could been worse if he snatched a lalafell body lol

Anyhoooow, I think we all who speculated Zenodibus was a thing got a moment to point at the screen all - I called it!

All around very pleased with the MSQ and the hints at the new direction and new jobs in 5.0! Good job SE!

Originally Posted by MuseTraveller

MSQ ... I have no idea how to add spoiler tag ^^;;

All you gotta do is [HB ] Spoiler Text/Stuff here [/HB ] BUT w/o the spaces between "B" and "]".

Originally Posted by Yamimarik

All you gotta do is [HB ] Spoiler Text/Stuff here [/HB ] BUT w/o the spaces between "B" and "]".

Hmm I tried doing it earlier but got this message "The message you have entered is too short. Please lengthen your message to at least 10 characters." and it didn't allow me to edit it so I thought I was doing something wrong. Odd...

Edit:
Apparently worked with [hb ] text [/hb ] but didn't like them being capitalized, huh...
Thank you, tho!

Well much to write.

MSQ:

It was a bit strange with all the Gosetsu x Tsuyu jokes and it was also quite clear that she went out to get him a Kaki. I am not so sure what I think about the people from Namai accepting her fate so fast but at least they were afraid about her for a bit. Also not really sure why Hien told them about trying to kill her right when Tsuyu was standing next to him..

As soon as Asahi was on the scene I just wanted to punsh him and how horrible of him to try to get her memories back with her parents. Her murdering them was not that surprising and honestly I did not feel sorry for them. But it also showed that the old Yotsuyu was still quite messed up (she does share those evil faces with her brother) and that she would have stayed a danger to them.

I did like that they looked for traps and made sure to have an escape plan ready and did not trust him at all. Yotsuyu turning into a primal was something that I believed would happen but was still nicely done. Asahi using this as a way to show that Doma has broken their contract was sly but he did not take Maximus into account. Also great way for him to end by being slain by his sister. But I do was just saying in my mind the whole time: Can both of you just die right now? (Yotsuyu survived quite long afterwards, for someone that has no echo) Yes Gosetsu will be sad that he lost her but it was better that way. A sad past makes her understandable but her actions still were evil and without us she would have thrown all of Doma under her thrall.

[Also that primal fight was another hint that we are doing them alone. No other adventurer was with us and we would not have the time to gather more otherwise she would have just gone and start tempering people]

I am happy that the people from the exchange are alright but I also got the feeling that this was solved a bit too easy. I kinda believed that the story instanced fight would be us, fighting our way out there, while protecting them but it seems that Hien and his people got it all done without us.

I was also like "...no Alphy dont go to Garlemald all on your own, with a person we barely know." And I am happy that he is at least still alive (But I gotta teach him some more attacks..having no Dots is a shame!)

Good to know that there are some Garleans that are truly trying for peace and I really hope that Maxima stays on our side and alive..also good to know that this is not Zenos but Elidibus and that he is trying to manipulate Varis..I have a feeling that Varis wont survive it at the end and that he needs to go to truly achieve a great Garlemald. It was great to see the difference in Zenos behaviour thus showing that it might not be him.

It is a bit surprising that Zenos itself seems to have gone into the body of an resistance fighter. Not really sure where they are going with him but maybe he will be our short term ally at the end and the one to take out his father (Would be better than him just wanting to kill us again and again..) I am just not sure why he did not change his form to Zenos? I mean we only know about one instance where someone took over other bodies but the Sahagin priest did change the bodies of the other sahagin as soon as he went into them (if I remember it correctly)...now is that because he wanted to change or because it will happen if you take over a body?

That shadowhunter who is somehow able to slay even Ascians with red mask (but it remains to be seen if he truly killed them or just their host) seems to be Gaius and just like with Zenos, I am not really sure if that is so great. First I never was a huge fan of him. Yes he ruled a bit better than others but he still manipulated children, still used Ultima as a way to bargain and the only reason why he did not want to use poison was to still have people left to rule over..at the same time I do question how he survived the blast...we barely made it out of this and its not like they can teleport..so I will remain skeptic about his revival and hope that it makes sense and is not another character that survived something that should have killed them (like Gosetsu or Yotsuyu..)

At the end its great that both Yotsuyu and Asahi are dead. I really feared that they would go the redemption way with her but it ended with quite a nice if a bit tragic story for her. She got her revenge and we got to see how she might have turned out if she had a better life and this could give Hien the view to turn Doma into a better place. But at the end, no matter how bad your past was, we still have a choice and thus every actions for all these years were her actions and should be punished. But at least she was able to take the three people with her that she hated the most. Doma and its people can now fully rest and rebuilt.

Asahi also turned out to be exactly the bad guy that he was shown at. No sudden or hidden great motivations and this just shows that not every enemy needs to be grey. And even though it was not us that killed him, I still felt that his ending was great.

24 man raid:

I did not really like it. First I kinda question where the epic storyline is that they promised us and where they used all the budget that they said was used for this? First I truly only like Alma and the rest of her family can just die and I would not care. Her father does not even stop his son that much and only seems to care for the data and getting their names clear..who cares that the other group just lost one of theirs..Ramza is annoying me nearly as much as Asahi did..he is a racist and again shows the worst side of Garlemald while his sister is way more reasonable. I did like the two new moogles and the other beast tribe. (Not sure what they are called x_x). I liked the quest with the red chocobos even though I do wonder where they came from. I was also fine with looking around for the leader of the other group and I was awed at the look of the place itself (But every 24 man looked awesome, so thats nothing new there). But damn that wine quest..it destroyed any good will that the other quests created..maybe instead of something like that, have us talk to the people of the group and get more informations from them instead of having to go around for some wine that was only for this woman..If that is a epic storyline then I fear for the future..the bosses itself looked great but I still kinda questioned why those are there. Someone in alliance chat asked why the beast leader turned into THAT boss and I agree with them. Did I miss some information? Because I feel that this is just another fan service thing. (Also didnt they say that crafters and gatherers had something to do with it?)

Anyway we did learn a bit of new information about these stones but you could have cut out 70% of this and still have all the informations you need..

The thing that I did like was the obvious hints that Ramza was not himself sometimes. The way his mimic changed and the way he talked really made me feel like he is kinda possessed after touching the stone and who knows maybe he will be a boss in the last raid...

Namazu:

I really liked the bit of story that was in there. It was a bit cruel at the beginning that we would have just walked away from it but it was probably played as comedy and we did help him at the end. I also liked how different each Namazu was. I am looking forward to see how this story will go and hope that we turn away the dark fate of them. (Because if they are all death who will carry us around?)

Four lords:

I enjoyed this very much. From talking to them all again, to Tataru turning old for a few seconds and to Genbu underestimating Soroban. I loved how Tatarus carbuncle still ran away from her and how she just ran around in panic and sometimes healing me. It would have been strange to just fight along side her like she is some kind of pro so its good that they dont really turn her into a fighter.

We never truly met Tenzen but thanks to their stories he really feels sympathetic to me. And I look forward to seeing how this story will go

Originally Posted by TheCookieGod

Well apparently I'm only allowed to write posts 1000 characters long for some reason, so pardon the multiple posts.

Write everything you want to say, copy the text and delete it, and post only the phrase EDIT INCOMING. Then manually edit your post, paste the text, and save. This will circumvent the text limit.


Re: Shadowhunter Discussion

If it's not Gaius, we must figure out who else would...
- Be dressed in red
- In his 50s
- Wield a DRK-length gunblade
- Use Terminust Est / Quickstep in battle
- Have a history with the Scions
- Recognize Alphinaud on sight
- Know of and loathe Ascians
- Be an imperial on bad terms with the Empire
- Have Gaius van Baelsar's faceplate on his belt

That's a lot of coincidences to redirect into, Actually, he's dead, but you should have seen the looks on your faces! ... Not that writers aren't occasionally so cruel.

I always imagined he'd try to rebuild something, if not Ala Mhigo when forces who didn't care about it (aside from Lyse, whose competence would be questionable at best) started tearing it apart, or a rebellious legion (not because the Warrior of Light is on "the right path", not because he's any friend of Eorzea, but because, To the Seventh Hell with Varis zos Galvus; they have every reason to want one another dead. It was a surprise to find that he'd taken Lahabrea's revelation of, "Not all the gods are lies and you've been a pawn in service to the Dark's restoration." so hard that he'd abandon all other pursuits to hunt them (with no particularly special gifts that we know of just yet).

The only question is ... how the sugar-frosted f[kupo]k does he have as many overlord kills as the Warrior of Light?
(I'm not even mad.)