Thread: Revelations from Patch 4.3

While we had ties to ONE ppl

I feel like we had no real explanation to anything in PotD. As a non tactics ogre player I had to see who Nybeth was and why he was so fixated to eternal life, the plot in PotD never really gave any explanation to the character and I'm afraid I'll write Edda's story as pointless. Her story finished with Tam-tara and they only brought her back for a cameo at best.
We had no explanation on how Nybeth crossed here, no proper introduction to his character, the recurring character was a cameo at best and worst of all we had no real explanation on the place itself, was it gelmorrean? was it older? No, niet nisba, nothing, they didn't even acknowledged the existance of lower floors for what I remember.
It wasn't anything like this with HoH imho, we had answers about everything introduced with the system, the only difference is that the story ended now and not after 4 months or so that imho is what really makes it feels like it was meatier, we had more times to make suppositions on what is happening, but in the end it was just a conceled tactis ogre collaboration and nothing more (incidentally it's another yasumi matsuno game, which might tell us something).
Anyway this are the reason of why, when I stop myself in thinking about the implications of the story, that I feel HoH is better than PoTD
And hey at least they acknowledged that there are more than 30 floors, that's a plus

Heaven-on-High and "aetherpool" gear

It seemed odd at the beginning - and even odder thinking back on it - that this apparently disconnected-from-PotD dungeon has the same "aetherpool" gear (by name as well as appearance) that was described there as being created by Padjali enchantments, and here apparently by some kind of Allagan-inspired technology. What's the link? Are they in contact? Is E-Una-Kotor not giving us the full story either?

HoH's story vs. PotD's story

HoH's story felt a lot less messier then PoTD's did. PoTD is just a Gelmoran ruin that goes somewhere bizarre. It doesn't even have any interesting lore about the Gelmorans, who are a civilization we know next to nothing about. It's pretty much the average "necromancer is raising people to beat death, so we need to stop him" story.

HoH has a lot more implications for other lore topics and it does give us information about things we didn't know. The Imperials not taking over the Ruby Sea is a lot more important in hind-sight; them getting control of HoH and the post-Allagan tech in it would have been bad. It also gives us another organization that is researching the Allagans, but with very different motivations then the Sharlayans or the Ironworks. The Onishishu are the ones who maintain Othard's aetherites and they're the ones who have been maintaining HoH. They don't seem to have "WTF were the Allagans doing?!? This is so wrong and shouldn't exist!" attitude.

As for their founder, he makes it sound like he and his friends knew that more Umbral Calamities were coming after the 4th one. And that there'd be people who would be fighting to prevent/help mitigate them. He also specifically mentions that what happened to Allag could have happened everywhere and that the reason why it didn't was because his friends scarified themselves to prevent it. Given what did happen to Allaga... yikes...

Oh, and Rasho is a badass. He's soloed Floors 1 - 50.

HoH Discussion stuff

There's a prophecy from who knows when that's brought up by Urianger in 1.0 that talks about their being more then 6 Umbral Calamities. Most people since the 6th Umbral Calamity discounted it since there'd been six Calamties, one for every element which was nice and neat. Obviously, that's not what happened. The Calamites just keep coming. It looks like the knowledge of there being future Calamities goes back a long ways.

Part of the reason the Onishishu are even there to begin with is because there has always been people who try to stop Calamities from happening or mitigate the worst of the effects. The Onishishu are offshoots of what looks like to be good contenders of the 4th Calamity's Warrior of Lights, or at the very least, people who probably had the Echo. Their way of paying homage to past and future WoLs is to give them a good place to train that didn't come out of some aweful circumstances. Like, most of the "getting stronger" the WoL has done has been though stopping bad event from happening. This is pretty much the opposite and is one of the few glorified practice halls that are supposed to be practice halls.

It's mentioned that fighters who aren't found worthy by Hiruko, the Lvl 30 boss are killed by it. The fact that you, the WoL are alive means you passed the test. So have all the leaders of the Confederacy. Presumably it's there to make sure all the fighters that don't agree with the morals of the Onishishu don't ever leave the tower.

Originally Posted by Kyusei

Yes, like Rasho and the pirate captains before him, you bested Hiruko. He looked into your soul and found you worthy. Were you found wanting, well...I am sure you can guess the fate of those who do not pass muster.

BTW, does someone want to make a dedicated HoH lore thread so we don't have to keep spoiler-tagging stuff?

Originally Posted by ObsidianFire

There's a prophecy from who knows when that's brought up by Urianger in 1.0 that talks about their being more then 6 Umbral Calamities. Most people since the 6th Umbral Calamity discounted it since there'd been six Calamties, one for every element which was nice and neat. Obviously, that's not what happened. The Calamites just keep coming. It looks like the knowledge of there being future Calamities goes back a long ways.

In theory there can be at least as many calamities as there are reflections of the source (minus 1 from the void).

Gelmora isn't that old. It came into existence around the year 740 of the 6th Astral Era, so it's only been around for a thousand years. For comparison, the nation of Ishgard is older.

HoH was probably built in the late 4th Umbra Era/early 5th Astral Era. And there's very little chance it could have a counterpart in Eorzea. Almost nothing of Allagan origin is known to have survived of the 5th Astral Era in Eorzea as the records that do exist indicate that people actively shunned anything to do with the pursuit of knowledge. It got to the point that people weren't taught to read on purpose, the few surviving Allagan ruins were destroyed, science was essentially banned and the people in power invented an entire new alphabet for themselves. No wonder the founder of the Onishishu went to Othard.

Speaking of the Onishishu, the sightseeing log mentions them. It specifically says they're the ones who create and maintain all the Atherytes in Hingashi and that they have the reputation of skilled craftsman who guard their secrets...