Whm

[MiniOmegaDragon]

Whm neeeds a buff or a fix with sch and ast whm has fallen behind and it not good so please give whm something to keep it good #makeWhmGrateAgain

[Mantu]

#makeWhmGrateAgain

Why? Do you have cheese?

[Tridus]

Why? Do you have cheese?

I could go for some cheese.

Seriously though, the things that need looking at IMO are lilies (because who cares?), PI's QoL (confession stacks are somewhat cumbersome), and how the whole DPS side of things is meant to be (if we're supposed to have no rDPS, shouldn't we have higher pDPS than SCH?).

[MoroMurasaki]

(if we're supposed to have no rDPS, shouldn't we have higher pDPS than SCH?).

I really do think SCH having so much pDPS is just a lack of due diligence on the part of the devs while adding an AoE dps option to replace Bane which SCH needed at the time - the problem w as Bane never did anything on a single target. If Holy let WHM apply a similar DoT and was instant WHM would be ahead again.

Of course god forbid SE accidentally overbuffs WHM, that would just be awful though.

Honestly, at this point, time to rotate the crown - I say give WHM a huge pDPS boost in 4.4 then leave it alone for the rest of the expansion.. you know, like what they didnt with AST in HW except pDPS instead of rDPS >.>

Can of course nerf it a few months into 5.x, as is tradition.

[Pastahnak]

PI could be reworked because I find it confusing and useless, but whm is fine. Maybe when u make a buff whm thread you could like suggest something.

[Rosa_Frandlia]

PI could be reworked because I find it confusing and useless, but whm is fine. Maybe when u make a buff whm thread you could like suggest something.

Same recast time as tetra, less potency even at 3 confession. It seems almost like the 60 and 70 spells need reversed in when you get them. That's the only thing I find off, well other than taking away stoneskin and stoneskin 2 and keeping the nocturnal sect and aquilarium. At least stoneskin is sorta back, even if it does take away all lilies when you cast the replacement spell. PI was at least more balanced with tetra when it had the 30 second recast.

[NewAgeDoom]

#makeWhmGrateAgain

Yes, make the heal slaves grate my cheese. I could use some skyline style 3-ways.

jk healers I love you don't @ me

[Aurebel]

The lilies system has to be re-worked, as WHM doesn't cast Cure/Cure II often enough to benefit from the cooldown reduction. The lilies system just doesn't synergise well with the way the job is played at high levels.

It would also help if they increase the confession stacks' duration.

[Sylvain]

It would also help if they increase the confession stacks' duration.

This is definitely something I could see happen before 5.0
But not a Lilies rework (i mean, I think it needs one, but I don't think it'll happen before 5.0)

Lillies: Should give a 5% spell speed buff each. Regen ticks should have a 20% chance to proc them, Medica II ticks a 5% chance.
Divine Benison: If it’s going to continue to consume all lillies, make the shield potency scale with them.
Plenary Indulgence: Either remove/greatly extend the time limit on confession stacks, or make confession stacks give either a small buff to each person’s DPS or Mitigation for the duration (so stacks don’t go to waste when PI is on cooldown).

These changes would make me so happy. The job would be more of a priority mindset, “Do I need to use Assize/Tetra/DB and kill my SPS, or will my HoTs/Asylum/Bene be enough for now so I can nuke some more? Do I need that extra heal from PI or will Medica II get is through and keep the party buffed?”

Giving a speed buff of 15% would only make WHM want to use their lilies even less. That's 15% more dmg and heal without including abilities. This is utterly OP considering WHM already has the highest of both.

The skill get a smaller CD, it's one or another, both would either require the skill to be less good (baseline) and that's something I don't think many WHM would like to see.

Plenary Indulgence only requires a higher duration (since you rarely need to do 3 medica + that)
I'd personally like to see a 30sec duration

I don't think it needs a dps or dmg reduction buff. It's meant to be, yet another, powerful healing tool.

[MartaDemireux]

Giving a speed buff of 15% would only make WHM want to use their lilies even less. That's 15% more dmg and heal without including abilities. This is utterly OP considering WHM already has the highest of both.

The skill get a smaller CD, it's one or another, both would either require the skill to be less good (baseline) and that's something I don't think many WHM would like to see.

Plenary Indulgence only requires a higher duration (since you rarely need to do 3 medica + that)
I'd personally like to see a 30sec duration

I don't think it needs a dps or dmg reduction buff. It's meant to be, yet another, powerful healing tool.

I don’t think it’d be as OP as you think it’d be. Lillies generated at chance by HoTs means you’re not guaranteed the 15% SPS, but if you get it then it’s nice (I meant they would replace Cure procs). There still would be times you’d have to get rid of them. The abilities that consume them are strong heals and utilities as it is. In normal gameplay you’ll use them as needed, preferably before lillies get stacked and then after they do get stacked (again by HoTs) they’ll only be up for a period of time before you need to assize again on cooldown for the MP (15% SPS will equate to more MP loss and the need to balance oneself).

I still think unused Confession stacks with the current timer should offer something to the group. They only generate when missing HP is healed as it is so you couldn’t spam for stacks. It’d be a nice boost to get when you get it but unreliable and impossible to maintain. It doesn’t even need to be mitigation or DPS, it could be a slight TP and/or MP recovery if the stacks vanish without the use of PI.