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    Ayden's Avatar
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    Dante Vigilante
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    Tonberry
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    Miner Lv 43

    Scathe to extend AF/UI duration by 3s

    Scathe 960MP
    Deals unaspected damage with a potency of 100.
    Additional Effect: 20% chance potency will double
    Additional Effect: Extends Astral Fire/ Umbral Ice duration by 3s


    I have been playing BLM for quite some time. At times, I still find myself having to use transpose to refresh the timer as I dont have time to use Blizzard 3 or Fire 1 due to mechanic/movement/mistake. As we know, using transpose to refresh the timer is not desired or optimal and will obviously disrupt our rotation.

    I was thinking why not have Scathe extend AF/UI by 3 seconds. When the situation calls for it, we use scathe as we are moving out of AOE. As a result, we will have enough time to cast a Blizzard 3 or Fire 1 to refresh AF/UI to full duration, which will keep the flow of our rotation.

    What do you all think?
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    Gunsa Cabalabob
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    Sargatanas
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    Arcanist Lv 90
    I’d be for it, the BLM rotation is so tight on UI/AF timings there are often times I find myself barely getting fire off in time before I lose enochain, especially in high movement scenarios. And swiftcast can be so unresponsive with animation delay that even when I use it I still end up hardcasting the spell. With scathe’s instant cast it would buy you a few extra seconds to get that fire off.
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    Remedi Maxwell
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    It could be useful at lower level play/during prog or when mistakes happens, since MPs are reserved for F4/F1 in fire phase this will still result in a dps, though perhaps it's something SE might consider doing since it would make life easier for new BLMs.

    There are positives and negatives to this imho, it could work idd, though higher end BLMs won't find as much use for it.
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    Dante Vigilante
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    Miner Lv 43
    You would not want to use it in ideal situation. Just that in situation when u need to save enochian due to movement, you can use Scathe + F1/B3 instead of transpose.

    F4 F4 F4 ---> can't cast or finish casting F1 due to mechanic forcing you to move and timer is running out ---> Move out of AOE + Scathe ---> F1 F4 F4 F4
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    Y'dyalani Rhus
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    Louisoix
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    Black Mage Lv 90
    Yea I could see that being helpful. With the Potency being low too it would make it a poor choice to keep casting scathe to top up the UI/AF meter too meaning you wouldn't need to worry about players using it to keep in that state forever. Althernatively, 2 seconds to allow for transpose if they were to view 3 as too much time gained.

    Would give it a new use which I'd be all for. I did post in the other thread about new skills that I'd like to see a stronger instant cast spell like scathe for BLM going forward (into new expansion) but this could be a way of keeping the old one relevant.
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    Seraphor Vhinasch
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    Zodiark
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    Given that Scathe is on the GCD, adding 3s only really increases your window by 0.5s.
    If you have 2s left on the clock and throw out a Scathe to give you 5s, you'll still need to wait 2.5s for GCD to recharge, then the car time for whatever fire/blizzard spell you next used.
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    Black Mage Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Seraphor View Post
    Given that Scathe is on the GCD, adding 3s only really increases your window by 0.5s.
    If you have 2s left on the clock and throw out a Scathe to give you 5s, you'll still need to wait 2.5s for GCD to recharge, then the car time for whatever fire/blizzard spell you next used.
    Yes but if you use it on movement when the timer is about to expire (3s left?) you can preserve the AF timer for fire 1 later on, as opposed to using transpose with a sad face
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    Seraphor Vhinasch
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    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    Still seems really finicky to me.

    How about Scathe resets the enochian timer, but subtracts the same amount from the polyglot gauge?
    Say you hit it at 5s remaining, you'd reset enochian to 13s, but delay your next Foul by 8s.
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    Zuzu Belloq
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    Viertes Oscurita
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    Brynhildr
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    Bard Lv 60
    You'll need to make Scathe into an oGCD ability with the guaranteed extending effect to even be remotely meaningful.
    And that's not to mention that Scathe's potency is so low that most experienced black mages would never to use it, even with this additional ability.
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