The Samurai buffs are terrible. (Preliminary Patch Notes)

[Tex_Mex]

Add that 2% to the 75th percentile of fflogs (sigma savage) and SAM is slightly above BLM. So there is nothing to complain about, he is on paar with the magic counterpart.
Brotherhood raid contribution of MNK at 75th percentile is about 250-300dps. So MNK for Raiddps is slightly ahead but not that much. If you buff SAM futher because of MNKs raidcontribution then you have to buff BLM too.

I don't think that I agree with this sentiment. Since 2.0, SE has consistently balanced classes so that the strongest melee DPS jobs do about 5-10% more damage in parsing than their ranged/magic counterparts. This has always been done because melee DPS typically do not have as much uptime on bosses due to many boss mechanics causing melee to have to leave attack range.
Obviously individual encounter DPS balance can vary wildly depending on boss mechanics, but for high uptime fights, SAM and BLM should not be within 1-2% of each other.

Maybe SE is changing their view on this type of balance? Or maybe BLM is just a special case? I don't really know, but I do feel that SAM should easily be the highest DPS class in the game when considering they are melee and offer 0 party support.

[TelosNox]

I don't think that I agree with this sentiment. Since 2.0, SE has consistently balanced classes so that the strongest melee DPS jobs do about 5-10% more damage in parsing than their ranged/magic counterparts. This has always been done because melee DPS typically do not have as much uptime on bosses due to many boss mechanics causing melee to have to leave attack range.

This is true if you compare pure dummy dps. But with fflogs I compare parsed dps of real fights, so uptime differences are already included there.

[Zerathor]

I don't think that I agree with this sentiment. Since 2.0, SE has consistently balanced classes so that the strongest melee DPS jobs do about 5-10% more damage in parsing than their ranged/magic counterparts. This has always been done because melee DPS typically do not have as much uptime on bosses due to many boss mechanics causing melee to have to leave attack range.
Obviously individual encounter DPS balance can vary wildly depending on boss mechanics, but for high uptime fights, SAM and BLM should not be within 1-2% of each other.

Maybe SE is changing their view on this type of balance? Or maybe BLM is just a special case? I don't really know, but I do feel that SAM should easily be the highest DPS class in the game when considering they are melee and offer 0 party support.

Considering the difficulty blm has in adapting to fights, and how unforgiving a single mistake is for it vs any other dps, it's fair that they get to do more when performed perfectly.

[EllieShadeflare]

Considering the difficulty blm has in adapting to fights, and how unforgiving a single mistake is for it vs any other dps, it's fair that they get to do more when performed perfectly.

BLM is a turret, moving costs them DPS. It's not the case for SAM, hence why BLM will likely remain where it is in the power ranking.

Not to mention, Black Mage and Samurai are designed to utterly lack utility. It'd make perfect sense for the two of them to be higher DPS than their counterparts, since they make up the gap in utility with sheer damage.

[zuzu-bq]

Not to mention, Black Mage and Samurai are designed to utterly lack utility. It'd make perfect sense for the two of them to be higher DPS than their counterparts, since they make up the gap in utility with sheer damage.

They only make up for the lack of utility if the other players are bad.

[gintokiygo]

I disagree Blackmages have had many mobility changes that make upkeeping their rotation very easy even if movement is needed. Another thing to note is that their rotation isn't very difficult and neither is standing still that's a matter of learning any fight. Blackmage can attack from any distance which Samurai cannot, furthermore Samurai also has to learn where and how to remain still because of Iaijutsu casts which can be interrupted by the boss being pulled out of range by Tanks which Blackmage doesn't have to worry bout unless they get LOS'd which Samurai also have to worry about. We have to maintain a more strict rotation which is constantly changing from being mobile to stationary. Blackmages also lose less from death as they can regain all their MP from restarting their Enochain and going back into Blizzard then back into Fire when a Samurai dies they loss all their buffs and resouces Jinpu, Shifu, and Kenki which takes several GCDs just to get back.

[Zerathor]

snip.

Play it getting high output, then get back to me on its mobility. There's a reason it has one of the largest skill gaps and it's the least played job in savage. Less played than even sam.

[TelosNox]

What are numbers? You mean number of parses? You mean maximum dps? Which numbers do you mean?

[gintokiygo]

These numbers sir.

[TelosNox]

And what is the source of that numbers? Pure calculation by potency? Attacking training dummy with perfect rotation for 10 hours? What makes that numbers comparable?