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    Quote Originally Posted by BillyKaplan View Post
    Not everyone runs in a static where those roles are guaranteed or the people playing them know how to supply you with MP when you need it. My experience with most BRDs was that they prioritize extending Foe's over support for the healer which isn't necessarily an invalid decision while MCHs are allergic to Refresh.
    And you forgot BLM, which to me shows all the more you're talking about a raid environment which despite a lot of buzz on the forums is still run by a minority of the playerbase.
    BLM shouldn't manashift unless you have no other Refreshes in the party, it's the only job that suffers a DPS loss for it (stays in UI longer). I purposely excluded BLM.
    (But you also forgot RDM)
    Anyway even extending Foes, Refresh is still being played, you're still getting MP and you should always be casting. Communicate with your team so you don't overlap TA/Lucid and Refresh (since I'm assuming that's your problem).

    Quote Originally Posted by Sekkei View Post
    SE is pulling stupid stunts yet again. ._.
    When are they not? The problem is players just assume it's a cultural difference and devs say "well players do X and Y" when we do something entirely different.

    It's not because JP players play drastically different than NA, it's just that the developers have too small of a sample size. They don't test properly and they're too slow to respond to feedback. We've known this since before 1.0 even launched.

    The page I linked, players in that thread hate that change. But there are NA players that love the change and there are definitely JP players that love the change. My point is nationality has no bearing on how one plays the game or thinks.
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    Last edited by Luin; 05-20-2018 at 07:28 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luin View Post
    BLM shouldn't manashift unless you have no other Refreshes in the party, it's the only job that suffers a DPS loss for it (stays in UI longer). I purposely excluded BLM.
    Manashifting in Umbral Ice 3 gives you the mana back instantly, never had to wait before switching back.

    (since I'm assuming that's your problem).
    You'll assume wrong. In general most of the situation you're presenting is very specific and relies on a lot of assumptions that don't translate well to common play from my experience.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BillyKaplan View Post
    Manashifting in Umbral Ice 3 gives you the mana back instantly, never had to wait before switching back.



    You'll assume wrong. In general most of the situation you're presenting is very specific and relies on a lot of assumptions that don't translate well to common play from my experience.
    It does not. You need to wait for the server tick, which can be instant, or it could be as much as 3 seconds. You've simply been lucky. (For posterity, most things operate on server tick; notably dots and ground effects like CO)

    And if it isn't your problem, then what is? Because Refresh is still mp, it doesn't magically give you more MP the later in the fight you are. If you aren't 100% mp, then it's effective mp.
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