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    Izsha Azel
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    Warrior Lv 80
    *Shelltron/Intervention. Single target: Use for TB when MT, use to support individual when OT.
    *TBN. Single target: Use for TB when MT, use to support individual when OT.
    *SIO. AOE: Raid shield gaining strength from eating CDs.

    One of these things is not like the others,
    One of these things just doesn't belong,
    Can you tell which thing is not like the others
    By the time I finish my song?

    Some people need to watch more sesame street before posting.
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    Reynhart Kristensen
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    Dark Knight Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Izsha View Post
    *Shelltron/Intervention. Single target: Use for TB when MT, use to support individual when OT.
    *TBN. Single target: Use for TB when MT, use to support individual when OT.
    *SIO. AOE: Raid shield gaining strength from eating CDs.
    Why did you pair these skills together ? The PLD equivalent of SiO is not Sheltron or Intervention but Divine Veil or Passage of Arms, and the WAR equivalent of Sheltron is not SiO but Inner Beast.
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    Gigi Bibi
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    Warrior Lv 86
    Quote Originally Posted by Reynhart View Post
    Why did you pair these skills together ? The PLD equivalent of SiO is not Sheltron or Intervention but Divine Veil or Passage of Arms, and the WAR equivalent of Sheltron is not SiO but Inner Beast.
    shao23 was making a statement on comparing TBN and SiO when they're not easily comparable to what was written earlier, which is why Izsha included in Shelltron/Intervention, the point being that TBN is much more similar to S/I, than to SiO.
    Just read the last page, Izsha's statement is not great without it's context.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nousernameplease View Post
    Just read the last page, Izsha's statement is not great without it's context.
    But since Sheltron and Intervention are neither WAR nor DRK skills, it adds nothing to comparing WAR and DRK's skillset, especially when PLD has 4 skills that leans closer to either SiO or TBN.
    They're still the only native skill they have to provide "mitigation for others".
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    Last edited by Reynhart; 05-22-2018 at 02:16 PM.

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    Kreyd Lerival
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    Shiva
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reynhart View Post
    But since Sheltron and Intervention are neither WAR nor DRK skills, it adds nothing to comparing WAR and DRK's skillset, especially when PLD has 4 skills that leans closer to either SiO or TBN.
    They're still the only native skill they have to provide "mitigation for others".
    Izsha just took PLD's skills to help showing the difference between DRK and WAR.

    If you just want to compare just DRK and WAR it's more like this:

    WAR can protect himself with Inner Beast.
    DRK can protect himself with TBN.

    DRK can protect 1 other person (mainly the tank) with TBN
    WAR can't do that.

    WAR can protect the entire raid with SiO.
    DRK can't do that.

    TBN and SiO may be the only DRK and WAR skills that can protect others, but since bosses either hit only the tank or the entire raid with most of their attacks, it just doesn't make sense comparing TBN with SiO.

    The point is: DRK is the only tankjob without an ability to provide against heavy raidwide dmg.
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    Shao Kuraisenshi
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    Gunbreaker Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Izsha View Post
    *Shelltron/Intervention. Single target: Use for TB when MT, use to support individual when OT.
    *TBN. Single target: Use for TB when MT, use to support individual when OT.
    *SIO. AOE: Raid shield gaining strength from eating CDs.
    all of then are mitigation utility serve for the same purpose in diferent ways, they work for diferent attacks i never deny that or say another thing, im saying comparing the overall contribution of SIO and TBN this last one apart of being just 15 second recast and being used in any single target mechanic its just a small weak shield, it cant do the same thing that cover or intervetion and the short recast cant compete the raid contribution SIO does.
    both are same kind of shield but SIO is an aoe and yes they work for diferent attacks but im not talking about that, im talking about how the raid takes less mitigation and generate more lb with SIO and TBN is great to support you MT but the overall contribution is inferior, the benefics of SIO are superior and the benefics of TBN are just ok.
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    Last edited by shao32; 05-22-2018 at 02:22 AM.