Please read about Physical Levels and Removing them.

[AreeyaJaidee]

You do realize this is what Player Polls are for right?

People already voted on this.

No one wants to see uniqueness go away but then again no one wants a Shades of Grey free-for-all either. There are other ways to make the game unique and keep diversity than keeping the Physical Level and points.

We could still get stat points when ranking up but make the default stats for that class locked in. That way the job has its original specifications met and we can build on top of those to customize it to our liking.

If you think about it. This makes sense because you rarely need a drastic stat change when using a class for other than its original purpose.

Why would you put a lot of Accuracy on a WHM?

Why would you redistribute your NIN Eva to Int? In order to nuke better on it?

Why would you put your PLD Def/Vit more into Str? You going to be a DD?

LOL. I know I made some silly scenarios BUT my point is there is always a solution other than lighting torches and mobbing SE because they want to take a useless aspect out of the game. Their main point was PHYSICAL level is useless and has to go. As far as stat allotments go, there are a million ways to skin a cat... Who knows maybe even PHYSICAL lvl would be worth keeping if it served some other purpose.

[Reika]

You do realize this is what Player Polls are for right?

People already voted on this.

No one wants to see uniqueness go away but then again no one wants a Shades of Grey free-for-all either. There are other ways to make the game unique and keep diversity than keeping the Physical Level and points.

We could still get stat points when ranking up but make the default stats for that class locked in. That way the job has its original specifications met and we can build on top of those to customize it to our liking.

If you think about it. This makes sense because you rarely need a drastic stat change when using a class for other than its original purpose.

Why would you put a lot of Accuracy on a WHM?

Why would you redistribute your NIN Eva to Int? In order to nuke better on it?

Why would you put your PLD Def/Vit more into Str? You going to be a DD?

LOL. I know I made some silly scenarios BUT my point is there is always a solution other than lighting torches and mobbing SE because they want to take a useless aspect out of the game. Their main point was PHYSICAL level is useless and has to go. As far as stat allotments go, there are a million ways to skin a cat... Who knows maybe even PHYSICAL lvl would be worth keeping if it served some other purpose.

First of all, there are no PLD WHM and NIN in this game yet. Those posts were off topic.

Secondly, Have you ever decided that once you reached Physical level 50, R50 in a different class, and decided "Hey, I want to level one of my R1 Jobs" Without physical level, that R1 Job will be just as weak as if you had just started the game from scratch. I for one liked being able to switch from R50 Gladiator to R1 Marauder and be able to kill slightly stronger enemies and faster because of my 'Been there, Done that' Strength. I Ranked up Thm just fine as well with my extreme STR and VIT. I can even take hits thanks to that. I still had 100 Mind to work with, with a bit of Piety.

Take the time to consider the downsides to physical level removal.

A hard cap is something different than what FFXIV has. It's attribute system has soft caps, not hard. Even when you hit 174 points, your stats can go over with gear and will do damn near to nothing for you. Even past 110 you start to get diminishing results. This is what a soft cap is. You can go past this point and your returns will make little difference between 110/115-174. Hard caps mean you CANNOT cross that stat enhancement. When you can, in FFXIV.

If you actually read the letters from the producer, forum posts, and recent interviews you'll know that the whole allotment system, modifiers, and skill effects will be simplified.

The problem right now is the modifiers are too complex and imbalanced and need that simplification...badly. I knew this was coming since beta when I saw how large the stat pool was. I'm just glad they will be doing something about it so we can actually start to make better sense of how to utilize different builds. People are mostly just maxing VIT of MND with little emphasis on anything else. It's boring.

You are correct sir. I have my Base Vit set up so that my choice of gear will not take me past 174 Vit.

[BruceyBruceyBangBang]

Take the time to consider the downsides to physical level removal.

Yes, but when simplifying the modifiers through stat allotment.... that could potentially overpower the character to the point of being ridiculous.

Their new formulas could very well be more potent, in fact, I believe they will be to combat this issue. So it won't really matter in the end. This is all just raising concern for something that is old news.

Also, you cannot have physical levels and be able to allot for each class. Let's not beat around the bush and act like you don't want to just overpower your character and hit your soft caps for each class you rank. Cause that's pretty much the only argument and it's a weak one.

[Reika]

Yes, but when simplifying the modifiers through stat allotment.... that could potentially overpower the character to the point of being ridiculous.

Their new formulas could very well be more potent, in fact, I believe they will be to combat this issue. So it won't really matter in the end. This is all just raising concern for something that is old news.

Also, you cannot have physical levels and be able to allot for each class. Let's not beat around the bush and act like you don't want to just overpower your character and hit your soft caps for each class you rank. Cause that's pretty much the only argument and it's a weak one.

Yes, I do not want my lower ranked characters to be as weak as if I had just started the game. That is one of my reasons for wanting to keep physical level.

[Zkieve]

Yes, I do not want my lower ranked characters to be as weak as if I had just started the game. That is one of my reasons for wanting to keep physical level.

Well, that would kinda collide with the " you are a character, not a job" ideology?
I mean, you already have a lot of skills from other classes, so you are overpowered anyways.Compared to someone who just started brand new.
Why not instead let you customize your character fully?Or at least to a degree when the impact at lv 50 to move stats around is important and not minimal.

[Reika]

Well, that would kinda collide with the " you are a character, not a job" ideology?
I mean, you already have a lot of skills from other classes, so you are overpowered anyways.Compared to someone who just started brand new.
Why not instead let you customize your character fully?Or at least to a degree when the impact at lv 50 to move stats around is important and not minimal.

Yes but you cannot set all the skills from another class. There are still action points. At R1 you couldn't set more than maybe 4 skills that use AP

[Zkieve]

Yes but you cannot set all the skills from another class. There are still action points. At R1 you couldn't set more than maybe 4 skills that use AP

well i dont know exactly by memory but i can swear i used cure 2 on all my low leve jobs when i leveled them.

Don't play with someone if you are so hell bent on them playing your way.

Brilliant.

We have enough idiots who don't know how to play their classes at this point. No need to give them more power than necessary.

lol!

[Valor]

I think SE was spot on with having Physical Levels, why? Because it forces us, the players, to make a choice. We have to actually create and develop our characters to our playstyle ideal. Without physical levels mixing and matching doesn't have the same appeal, and everyone will be playing the calculated 'best build' for each class. Soon, we will get stuck in a position AGAIN, where if you don't play with the best skills from a set group of classes to be in a party.

I personally, would be miffed if it came to that. There is a big difference between things being De Facto or De Jure. Right now, we can be as custom as we like, but we have to sacrifice for it; which is what makes it so great.

If everyone is perfect, then there is no uniqueness. Perfect is no longer perfect, it's normal.

With all that said, "I want my allocated points to mean something."

Well, that would kinda collide with the " you are a character, not a job" ideology?
I mean, you already have a lot of skills from other classes, so you are overpowered anyways.Compared to someone who just started brand new.
Why not instead let you customize your character fully?Or at least to a degree when the impact at lv 50 to move stats around is important and not minimal.

We have enough idiots who don't know how to play their classes at this point. No need to give them more power than necessary.

[AreeyaJaidee]

First of all, there are no PLD WHM and NIN in this game yet. Those posts were off topic.

Secondly, Have you ever decided that once you reached Physical level 50, R50 in a different class, and decided "Hey, I want to level one of my R1 Jobs" Without physical level, that R1 Job will be just as weak as if you had just started the game from scratch. I for one liked being able to switch from R50 Gladiator to R1 Marauder and be able to kill slightly stronger enemies and faster because of my 'Been there, Done that' Strength. I Ranked up Thm just fine as well with my extreme STR and VIT. I can even take hits thanks to that. I still had 100 Mind to work with, with a bit of Piety.

Take the time to consider the downsides to physical level removal.



You are correct sir. I have my Base Vit set up so that my choice of gear will not take me past 174 Vit.

Firstly: My post was not off-topic. No need to be rude in order to argue.

Secondly: Those were obviously scenarios arguing one of my many points which were all on-topic. I KNOW those jobs AREN'T in the game, because currently the game has CLASSES and none of them are as specific as those I mentioned.

Thirdly: ***I never said get rid of Stat Allocation Points. I actually said the PHYSICAL lvl isn't a required game mechanic needed to get those points.

Fourthly: I have played FFXIV since Closed Beta, Open Beta, and CE Release and have been around long enough to know that the stats are BROKE and always have been. Stop calling the issue a removal of "Stat Point Allocation" and "Diversity". The actuality is the stats first off are broke and need to be fixed in how the work. Period. THEN we can worry about "Diversity".

Fifthly: **Undeserved Hugs**

[Seikninkuru]

You do realize this is what Player Polls are for right?

People already voted on this.

No one wants to see uniqueness go away but then again no one wants a Shades of Grey free-for-all either. There are other ways to make the game unique and keep diversity than keeping the Physical Level and points.

We could still get stat points when ranking up but make the default stats for that class locked in. That way the job has its original specifications met and we can build on top of those to customize it to our liking.

If you think about it. This makes sense because you rarely need a drastic stat change when using a class for other than its original purpose.

Why would you put a lot of Accuracy on a WHM?

Why would you redistribute your NIN Eva to Int? In order to nuke better on it?

Why would you put your PLD Def/Vit more into Str? You going to be a DD?

LOL. I know I made some silly scenarios BUT my point is there is always a solution other than lighting torches and mobbing SE because they want to take a useless aspect out of the game. Their main point was PHYSICAL level is useless and has to go. As far as stat allotments go, there are a million ways to skin a cat... Who knows maybe even PHYSICAL lvl would be worth keeping if it served some other purpose.

First of all there are no WHM, NIN, or PLD. So let's go with what we have currently(as close as I can come).

Let's say WHM = CON/THM Why put magic accuracy on it? So you can land debuffs/spells...

NIN, I guess all we can use is a PUG Why put int on it? Not too sure on that, unless the player wanted to be some sort of spellhand type class...

Why would a glad want to put more str on? Shield dmg reduction, more dmg(more hate)

If these aren't the most ideal set ups, what is it to you specifically is my question. Don't play with someone if you are so hell bent on them playing your way.