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    Kaldea Sahaline
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    Behemoth
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    Gladiator Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Sebazy View Post
    It's pretty common place for some jobs to be unable to clear their SSS dummy even in the hands of a world class progression player upon a new tier's release.
    It's not a new tiers release though and we're talking the O5S dummy. There's very little excuse to not be able to clear it right now, unless you're literally min ilvl (which given FF14's design is exceptionally unlikely).

    Quote Originally Posted by KaivaC View Post
    I'm being carried because I can't clear a dummy?

    Consistently in the 1% - 5% range, based on the last several times I've fought the v5s dummy.
    Looking at one of your more recent logs, yeah probably. It sucks to hear, but if you extrapolate your performance across your entire team, you have to ask yourself - would you clear under those circumstances? If the answer is no, then you did not pull equivalent weight, thus you were carried.

    What ilvl and job are we talking about for context?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moogly View Post
    To all those people saying they're getting negative reactions after giving advice to other people, I'd like to ask a question :
    Are you telling them this in a nice way, like "You should use spell A, you shouldn't do this or that..."
    Or are you more like : "Git gud noob !"
    I've said it before. It doesn't matter how polite you are. How nice and sugary you word it, or many many cute catgirl meme's with winks and thumbs up you post; people are abrasive when offered advice that they're not interested in hearing. If someone WANTS advice it's fine, but most people don't.

    Quote Originally Posted by Moogly View Post
    If you do mechanics right, clear the boss, but do not manage to clear the dummy it doesn't mean you were carried.
    This is actually the literal definition of carried. Try not to get hung up on negative connotations and feelings and look at it objectively. If you do not have the necessary throughput the game dictates (barring the isolated examples of min ilvl beginning progression), then you did not do all of the mechanics right. You failed the DPS mechanic.

    If you fail equivalency (which is the measure of if everyone performed at your level would you have cleared) you were carried. There are obviously different degrees of carried though; i.e. Kaiva vs. a buyer. Both carried, but one considerably more so than the other.

    I'll give additional context from WoW - I sell Mythic+ runs there. I have buyers who are content to simply AFK and let us do all the work. I have buyers who insist they want to try and contribute. In the end, they're almost all generally carried (I've had a few buyers who pulled their own weight, obviously less than us, but had they had a team of equals they'd have been fine, thus passing equivalency).

    Quote Originally Posted by SieyaM View Post
    And just look at how the raid community attacks each other with their parses already.
    Just curious - where did you derive this insight from? It wasn't actual experience in FF14 (according to FFLogs you don't raid), and considering my anecdotal experience states otherwise, I'd be curious if you could quantify it.

    Quote Originally Posted by KaivaC View Post
    I have to respectfully disagree. The greys that I've been getting lately, I personally view as an indicator that I'm a bad player. Which is why, again, I want something more than just the SSS dummy.
    I'm all for a better tool (I'm in favor of a 100% official unmitigated open full party parser), but I wanted to chime in here. You are a lower skilled player (bad is relative). That's ok. There's nothing WRONG with being lower skilled as long as you respect that.

    You're very good at that (nowadays) so the easy next step is simply improving from there.

    If you were interested in getting better at PLD and were on my DC, I'd personally help you get where you want to get. I'll gladly extend that offer to any other PLDs on Primal should they want help.
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    Last edited by KaldeaSahaline; 05-18-2018 at 11:22 PM.