An alternative to parsing?

[Adeacia]

If raiders would leave without being able to parse, that right there tells me they aren't all that great of players to begin with. If you NEED a third party tool, then perhaps you need to get better at the game. A parser is a crutch used to counter their lack of skill.

[Menriq]

If raiders would leave without being able to parse, that right there tells me they aren't all that great of players to begin with. If you NEED a third party tool, then perhaps you need to get better at the game. A parser is a crutch used to counter their lack of skill.

I'm not taking a side, but can you elaborate on how a parser "counter their lack of skill"? It seems most people who use a parser are actually trying to improve their skill.

[Fhaerron]

If raiders would leave without being able to parse, that right there tells me they aren't all that great of players to begin with. If you NEED a third party tool, then perhaps you need to get better at the game. A parser is a crutch used to counter their lack of skill.

Wat?

Because I want to see how much DPS I do I need to get better at the game?
The boss will die regardless if that number is present or not. But when the number is present I can see exactly how much I do and I always aim to get it higher.

It's also a great tool for theorycrafters and trying out new rotations and checking how that influences your DPS.

[Dualgunner]

If raiders would leave without being able to parse, that right there tells me they aren't all that great of players to begin with. If you NEED a third party tool, then perhaps you need to get better at the game. A parser is a crutch used to counter their lack of skill.

I love this argument. It so beautifully misses the point of parsing.

[Slick7]

If raiders would leave without being able to parse, that right there tells me they aren't all that great of players to begin with. If you NEED a third party tool, then perhaps you need to get better at the game. A parser is a crutch used to counter their lack of skill.

Interesting point. How do you suggest getting better at the game without a parser? Copying the combat log into Excel and adding up stuff? It's not like a gazillion of guides including good and optimal rotations would be available at all without act...

[Bourne_Endeavor]

If raiders would leave without being able to parse, that right there tells me they aren't all that great of players to begin with. If you NEED a third party tool, then perhaps you need to get better at the game. A parser is a crutch used to counter their lack of skill.

I do love people chiming in despite having next to no idea how something even works. A parse simply calculates the battle log live, displaying the results on an overlay. If someone were arsed, they could literally add together each number manually and get approximately the same result. Why would raiders want such a tool? For their enjoyment. A great many people use FFlogs as a self competitive game. If all that were removed together, I have literally no reason to look at Savage after a handful of clears. I mean, the gear is hilariously overpowered for everything else except Ultimate. So what reason have I to keep playing, especially if I don't intend to do Ultimate?

You don't need a tool to harras, without ACT there will just be as much harassment as with it.

Said harassment can actually be worse. Enough people know mentioning ACT can get you banned nowadays, thus you get garbage players with a holier than thou attitude and essentially give them a loaded gun. Hence why you see so many groups disband or people leave without a word. And it irks me Yoshida's stance basically amounts to "carry people so they have fun too!" To which I say, no. If someone is putting in effort? Sure, I am more than happy to help. But if I'm doing weeklies, I'm going to be a little annoyed at the Samurai who dies to every other mechanic while I out-dps them monstrously. They may be having fun, but I'm certainly not, especially if their mistake gets me killed.

[FeliAiko]

If raiders would leave without being able to parse, that right there tells me they aren't all that great of players to begin with. If you NEED a third party tool, then perhaps you need to get better at the game. A parser is a crutch used to counter their lack of skill.

If I don't see this appear on FF14Forums.txt within the next week or so, I'll be really disappointed.

[KaldeaSahaline]

If raiders would leave without being able to parse, that right there tells me they aren't all that great of players to begin with. If you NEED a third party tool, then perhaps you need to get better at the game. A parser is a crutch used to counter their lack of skill.

Rather than attack your character directly (which given your statement and profile would be hilariously easy) or go into a huge detailed post about how you're objectively wrong (because you are):

Let me ask this - what is your aversion to parsing? Why do you hate it so? In numerous threads/posts you consistently advocate against it and almost always from an irrational or ill-informed standpoint.

[Rokke]

If raiders would leave without being able to parse, that right there tells me they aren't all that great of players to begin with. If you NEED a third party tool, then perhaps you need to get better at the game. A parser is a crutch used to counter their lack of skill.

lmao
/10char

[Sebazy]

If raiders would leave without being able to parse, that right there tells me they aren't all that great of players to begin with. If you NEED a third party tool, then perhaps you need to get better at the game. A parser is a crutch used to counter their lack of skill.

Hiya. Truth be told, it sounds like you actually have an issue with triggers rather than the parsing side of things.

Please keep in mind that for progression minded raiders, parsing is primarily a tool that is used to corroborate and verify both individual and team performances in content where these matter significantly.

As mentioned earlier, using a parser in this manner most definitely isn't a crutch. Optimising your own play ahead of the curve and MrHappy videos can be challenging, particularly for more dot centric classes (Look at how SMN went from Zero to Hero in early ARR as dot damage became more understood). Imagine trying to conduct research without any means to test or validate your experiments. You wouldn't be able to achieve much and frankly, this was how things went for the most part in early ARR. It's also ironic to note that even though we didn't have any accurate numbers back then, there was still very much a meta for BCOB even if in hindsight, it likely wasn't correct.

Calling Triggers a crutch is a much fairer point and I suspect you'd be better received if you went with this instead. I will balance this thought by noting that there isn't a lot of difference between a Trigger and coordinating/calling mechanics over voice comms.

With that cleared up, don't you think that an in game Parser that didn't offer any Trigger functionality would be a good thing?

Cheers