Quote Originally Posted by KaldeaSahaline View Post
With all due respect, you were carried. You failed the equivalency test. Please don't treat this as an attack on you personally. That is not my intent. My goal here is simply to make sure that you understand my POV and how I arrived at my conclusion.
That is your POV though, as I said, for many people, a clear is a clear, no matter how sloppy it was.
To me, "carried" means, like you said, dude pays you guys and then sits in a corner watching you people kill the boss.
If I stayed dead the whole fight - there wouldve been no clear at all.
I think I mostly died on those thunder blows you had to share - if I failed that mech, and let a dps take the blow, there wouldve been no clear also.
I have no static and only pug, so my kills are usually nowhere near the quality of those youtube kills - usually chaotics... but still, boss is ded.

You'll sometimes see some world/server first kills that are really sloppy, with people making mistakes and dying, even sometimes a clear with a healer lb3 in it. Would you still consider the lesser players from those groups as being carried for their world first ? Would those teams kick the lower dps from their roster after each kill ?
A kill is a team work.

Imo having such a binary mindset isn't a good way to handle things. Even if at my level, I am working to get better, then players like KaivaC actively into savage, who are doing their best, are striving to get better and are getting clears : to me, they're not being carried. He doesn't clear sss ? One or two gear update later, he will, so what ?

Also, if such a mindset keeps being the dominant one, more and more people won't stand wiping 2 or 3 times... We all have our own pace at learning things, but if you can't even try more than 2 or 3 times, how do you actually want to improve :s ? And of course, dont forget chat flame wars...

On the other hand, I think only once or twice did I find a group in which we would wipe for 2-3 full timer runs - without a clear.
How did those groups ended ?
"Well too bad"
"Good luck, I hope you'll get it next time"
And so on.

tl;dr, : I think the term "carried" isn't constructive in a "I want to get better" thread