An alternative to parsing?

[Sebazy]

I've made a number of similar suggestions over the years and always been a highly divisive topic irrespective how you tackle it.

It's difficult to drum up support for this kind of thing due to the more hardcore scene wanting much more whilst also getting firm resistance from the anti ACT crowd. Large portions of either side are surprisingly unwilling to meet in the middle for any kind of compromise no matter the benefits it might bring or how softly softly and measured it's approach is.

It's a shame as I still think that a DPS/mechanics orientated Gold Saucer mini game would be a win win situation for all facets of the player base and for little effort from SE.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...parser-problem

[Fhaerron]

If raiders would leave without being able to parse, that right there tells me they aren't all that great of players to begin with. If you NEED a third party tool, then perhaps you need to get better at the game. A parser is a crutch used to counter their lack of skill.

Wat?

Because I want to see how much DPS I do I need to get better at the game?
The boss will die regardless if that number is present or not. But when the number is present I can see exactly how much I do and I always aim to get it higher.

It's also a great tool for theorycrafters and trying out new rotations and checking how that influences your DPS.

[Dualgunner]

If raiders would leave without being able to parse, that right there tells me they aren't all that great of players to begin with. If you NEED a third party tool, then perhaps you need to get better at the game. A parser is a crutch used to counter their lack of skill.

I love this argument. It so beautifully misses the point of parsing.

[Slick7]

If raiders would leave without being able to parse, that right there tells me they aren't all that great of players to begin with. If you NEED a third party tool, then perhaps you need to get better at the game. A parser is a crutch used to counter their lack of skill.

Interesting point. How do you suggest getting better at the game without a parser? Copying the combat log into Excel and adding up stuff? It's not like a gazillion of guides including good and optimal rotations would be available at all without act...

[Bourne_Endeavor]

If raiders would leave without being able to parse, that right there tells me they aren't all that great of players to begin with. If you NEED a third party tool, then perhaps you need to get better at the game. A parser is a crutch used to counter their lack of skill.

I do love people chiming in despite having next to no idea how something even works. A parse simply calculates the battle log live, displaying the results on an overlay. If someone were arsed, they could literally add together each number manually and get approximately the same result. Why would raiders want such a tool? For their enjoyment. A great many people use FFlogs as a self competitive game. If all that were removed together, I have literally no reason to look at Savage after a handful of clears. I mean, the gear is hilariously overpowered for everything else except Ultimate. So what reason have I to keep playing, especially if I don't intend to do Ultimate?

You don't need a tool to harras, without ACT there will just be as much harassment as with it.

Said harassment can actually be worse. Enough people know mentioning ACT can get you banned nowadays, thus you get garbage players with a holier than thou attitude and essentially give them a loaded gun. Hence why you see so many groups disband or people leave without a word. And it irks me Yoshida's stance basically amounts to "carry people so they have fun too!" To which I say, no. If someone is putting in effort? Sure, I am more than happy to help. But if I'm doing weeklies, I'm going to be a little annoyed at the Samurai who dies to every other mechanic while I out-dps them monstrously. They may be having fun, but I'm certainly not, especially if their mistake gets me killed.

[Cirgellon]

If raiders would leave without being able to parse, that right there tells me they aren't all that great of players to begin with. If you NEED a third party tool, then perhaps you need to get better at the game. A parser is a crutch used to counter their lack of skill.

In other words, this person has never done the hardest content in an MMO, but wants to talk trash about how bad others are.

How could you come up with this theory about seeing numbers? You aren't making any sense...

[FeliAiko]

If raiders would leave without being able to parse, that right there tells me they aren't all that great of players to begin with. If you NEED a third party tool, then perhaps you need to get better at the game. A parser is a crutch used to counter their lack of skill.

If I don't see this appear on FF14Forums.txt within the next week or so, I'll be really disappointed.

[Liam_Harper]

I'd find it much less useful after battle.

One of the reasons I loved Skada back in WoW was because it was an invaluable raid leading tool during battle. I could on-the-spot after a wipe analyze everything, damage intake per boss ability, tank damage intake, what abilities someone with low dps is missing, who didn't damage the important adds, what killed who and so on. This information was also very valuable from a personal improvement point of view. What killed me? Why is that other player of my class doing better dps, how does their rotation differ?

Now you don't "need" this information and you can muddle through blind grand enough, but it adds a lot more depth and allows your raid team to push their potential that bit further.

ACT in comparison to Skada is horrendously clunky and lacking information. I do wish Enix would stop the hand-holding and fear of players being nasty and stop withholding tools and QoL from us, nasty players happen all the time as it is. In fact good parsing tools often catch out players being abusive too. Quite a few times in WoW I've shut up a dps linker by linking back their damage dealt to adds, interrupts or damage taken compared to the group.

[KaldeaSahaline]

If raiders would leave without being able to parse, that right there tells me they aren't all that great of players to begin with. If you NEED a third party tool, then perhaps you need to get better at the game. A parser is a crutch used to counter their lack of skill.

Rather than attack your character directly (which given your statement and profile would be hilariously easy) or go into a huge detailed post about how you're objectively wrong (because you are):

Let me ask this - what is your aversion to parsing? Why do you hate it so? In numerous threads/posts you consistently advocate against it and almost always from an irrational or ill-informed standpoint.

[Rokke]

If raiders would leave without being able to parse, that right there tells me they aren't all that great of players to begin with. If you NEED a third party tool, then perhaps you need to get better at the game. A parser is a crutch used to counter their lack of skill.

lmao
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