An alternative to parsing?

[KaivaC]

Looking at your public logs, yeah. You are something else. The fact you admit it so openly is refreshing. But have you done anything to change that? Admitting something is one thing, but constantly pushing it off as someone else's problem is another. If it's always someone else's problem, what happens when you get a party full of people with that mentality?

Point is, you don't have to remain a gray forever. You have a blue and a green in finger painting. As I said, there is always room for improvement. The best place to start is to work on that SSS dummy if a console player and strive to destroy it. That is especially true if you're in 350+ gear. If you have a friend that uses meters, ask them for help. Ask a mentor for advice. Compare notes. You know, help each other out. That goes for not just you but people looking to improve in general.

I play on PS4 so all of my logs are recorded by someone else. Even then, I'm not perfect of course and I strive to get better with what I have to work with. If this game had an ingame meter, that'd definitely be a more definitive way of knowing what's up, but so far the SSS dummies have done me well as a melee DPS.

Umm...I just called myself a trash player twice now? How is that pushing it on someone else? lol Besides, what is the point in lying? Plenty of people think I'm not good anyhow, so I am just kinda accepting the majority opinion. Am I trying to improve? Yeah, I've been trying for a little while now, finding a job I'm comfortable with using. But I'm not sure where this part about me (or maybe not me, but someone else) pushing this onto someone else came out at. Hell, I've openly said I don't believe I'm anywhere close to being a good player in another thread of mines a short little while ago haha.

But again, the purpose of this thread is not me asking for help. It's discussing parsers...or rather alternatives. Pretty sure we can get more than just the SSS dummies if the devs put their mind to it. Doesn't necessarily have to even be an actual parse, as I mentioned a page back. I'd be more than satisifed with what I mentioned a page ago.

Let us chat about that, yes?

[Fhaerron]

Umm...I just called myself a trash player twice now? How is that pushing it on someone else? lol Besides, what is the point in lying? Plenty of people think I'm not good anyhow, so I am just kinda accepting the majority opinion. Am I trying to improve? Yeah, I've been trying for a little while now, finding a job I'm comfortable with using. But I'm not sure where this part about me (or maybe not me, but someone else) pushing this onto someone else came out at. Hell, I've openly said I don't believe I'm anywhere close to being a good player in another thread of mines a short little while ago haha.

But again, the purpose of this thread is not me asking for help. It's discussing parsers...or rather alternatives. Pretty sure we can get more than just the SSS dummies if the devs put their mind to it. Doesn't
necessarily have to even be an actual parse, as I mentioned a page back. I'd be more than satisifed with what I mentioned a page ago.

Let us chat about that, yes?

To go a bit deeper on the 'off-topic' part and directly to you,

You worry too much. When new stuff drops you should have the absolute minimum at least, then aim for the recommended.
As your gear improves and your knowledge of the fight (when to use certain buffs to get max duration for example) your DPS will improve.

It's good to always aim higher, I do this too I just want to keep improving.
Get some help, talk with pro's go over your logs with them and see what's wrong or maybe there's something you can do differently?
There's always going to be people with more, that's true for me as well no matter the gearscore or how hard I push there's always some 'pro' player out there with more.

It's a game, you play this for fun, don't let it cause stress.
You have the minimum, you have the required, you can clear it. Always try to reach higher but don't let it make you feel bad.

This isn't specifically aimed at this particular case but more in general because I've seen you worry too much while you're doing fine honestly.

You are not a "trash" player.

I'd gladly take you with me any day.

[Waliel]

On FFLogs there is a "replay" feature that allows people to watch a fight that was uploaded in the most minimalistic of terms. You are able to see when people move, when the mob moves, damage done, damage taken, healing done/received, abilities used by the mobs, etc.

So, yes, you can actually see who is not attending to mechanics using the data from FFLOGs, replay function, and deductive reasoning.

Not to mention that if you're not doing mechanics, you either die, get a debuff or nothing happens to you when something is supposed to, and all of that shows up in the parse.

Which is all fine and dandy, but SSS doesn't account for doing said mechanics of the fight. You could meet the DPS checks on Byakko EX or Shinryu EX just fine on a training dummy because nothing, and I repeat, nothing is getting in your way. Now, try meeting the DPS checks while dodging AoE's, other people, aligning stack markers, etc.

Which is why the SSS dummy requires higher DPS than the actual fight. It's more of a gear and basic rotation check.

[Machka]

A parser can be used to harras, but can also protec

[RiyahArp]

You know, if this were a game where people generally were ok with people failing or being not ideal in content because we all were in it for the long haul, parsing would be less an issue. But i have people leave hard mode trials if they wipe once, and people in this game are really quick to get annoyed despite this game's endgame having the most forgiving time burden and being the most accessible out of many MMOs. I don't really trust the community to make good use of it, because they don't have the right mindset. It becomes more on others than themselves.

It's the same reason I'm not keen on hard casual content. There's way too much being annoyed at others or griping about how others are carried or are burdens for me to think parsing is going to be ok in this culture.

[KaivaC]

You know, if this were a game where people generally were ok with people failing or being not ideal in content because we all were in it for the long haul, parsing would be less an issue. But i have people leave hard mode trials if they wipe once, and people in this game are really quick to get annoyed despite this game's endgame having the most forgiving time burden and being the most accessible out of many MMOs. I don't really trust the community to make good use of it, because they don't have the right mindset. It becomes more on others than themselves.

Perhaps, but I think it's pretty accurate to say that this is more on individual players themselves than anything. It would be one thing if it was Steps of Faith (because really, who wants to wait a whole 9 minutes to be able to reset the fight). Now, other fights, individuals are just ridiculously impatient and are quick to leave after one wipe. For those types of players, I don't see how a solution to the parser issue would affect them. If they're impatient enough to quit after one wipe, they are likely not the type of players who are seeking improvement, you know? For the most part. Some may just not have time to go for another run that could potentially lead to a wipe. Not an excuse for them, but it is possible

[KaldeaSahaline]

That is your POV though, as I said, for many people, a clear is a clear, no matter how sloppy it was.

I'm not arguing that, nor do I disagree with that statement. What I said was that if the entire party played at your level, you would have failed the duty. That means you failed equivalency. That is not an opinion or a POV. That is a mathematical fact.

To me, "carried" means, like you said, dude pays you guys and then sits in a corner watching you people kill the boss.

I think I mostly died on those thunder blows you had to share - if I failed that mech, and let a dps take the blow, there wouldve been no clear also.

You did fail that mech. You didn't use a cooldown and died. Passage of Arms isn't sufficient to block Twin Bolt at progression levels without extraordinarily well coordinated external CDs.

I said this above, did you not see/read it? There are varying degrees of getting carried. You obviously got carried less than someone who bought a kill. No one will deny that.

You'll sometimes see some world/server first kills that are really sloppy, with people making mistakes and dying, even sometimes a clear with a healer lb3 in it. Would you still consider the lesser players from those groups as being carried for their world first ? Would those teams kick the lower dps from their roster after each kill ?
A kill is a team work.

Correct. Your team did extra work to ensure that the kill still happened.

Your world first analogy is irrelevant to this discussion.

Do you understand the concept of equivalency? I explained it above, but did you miss it or not understand it?

tl;dr, : I think the term "carried" isn't constructive in a "I want to get better" thread

Again, this goes back to my original point. Remove your feelings from the equation and look a this objectively. You can sugarcoat it and use whatever word you want, but the premise still exists regardless.

ff you ask me the problem isn't if are dps meters are useful tool the are the problem is people can't behave with them and they come with way to much bs drama and other baggage look at WoW its like dps meters the game at this point dps meter drama is yet other thing from WoW i don't miss

Funny - I encountered this issue less than a handful of times in over 10+ years of playing WoW.

[F_Maximillian]

I'm not arguing that, nor do I disagree with that statement. What I said was that if the entire party played at your level, you would have failed the duty. That means you failed equivalency. That is not an opinion or a POV. That is a mathematical fact.

Honestly this is the standard that I judge myself by. I think expecting anything less of myself is basically expecting too much of others. If I knew I was playing at a level that would lead to failure if the entire party was on that level and didn't bother to do anything about it then that goes with the assumption that I would expect everyone else to play better to compensate. I don't think this is a particularly unreasonable mindset at all although it makes quite a few people in the community uncomfortable.