An alternative to parsing?

[RiyahArp]

Duties need to grade you, perhaps like in FFXIII, when you complete a duty. Seeing a big C or D at the end of a primal might be a wake up call to a lot of people.

Those actually have fallen out of favor in games, I think.

I mean, the first time you beat something, C. But not many people would replay the levels obsessively to get the A, S, or SSS, and a lot of the requirements to get those in past games were so high as to be ridiculous. So players would just ignore the ranking system overall and beat the game. Mostly because otherwise, the moment you make a mistake, you just restart the level anyways. Die or get hit once? say goodby to an s ranking.

As for this game, we had Arbuda in the fist as a low key version of ranking, where your companion would comment based on your performance as a team, and it generally sucked.

[KaivaC]

Those actually have fallen out of favor in games, I think.

They have. I rarely see a game that does anything like that anymore.

[RiyahArp]

They have. I rarely see a game that does anything like that anymore.

Yeah, it always was a japanese dev thing at heart. There are some that still do it, usually B-games like Galgun or Schoolgirl Zombie Hunter, but they often start at B and make the conditions fairly generous to rank up.

[Enlial]

Well, they really need to add ingame parsing and make the games memory more difficult to scan. From what I understand theres no encryption or obfuscation whatsoever. There are plenty of games out there that dont have 3rd party programs outside of hardcore paid bots simply because the devs made it too difficult to make stuff like that (as an example, ESO used to have an ACT plugin, but its developer abandoned it when the game made its memory more difficult to scan).

Parsing isn't the problem (and heck, they could even offer the option to disable parsing or "make my parse private" to individual players). The problem is that ACT is being used for things way beyond simple parsing. It's radar as far as hunts are concerned, and on top of that apparently now there's a plugin that lets people script with it? Thats pretty bad. I only recently heard about that but it does explain a lot of stuff Ive been seeing lately (wont go into specifics)... Honestly, I dont generally care when I see people doing something that doesnt impact my gameplay. Im not going to sit there and fill out reports over a bunch of teleporting gathering bots because, well, that's SE's job. They should be able to detect and deal with that sort of thing. But yeah when I see people talk like they're hot ****, when they're blatantly cheating at the game, that really grinds me. Is that petty? idk. lol

[AxlStream]

We need a full parser. Nothing more and nothing else. We need to see the full party's DPS. The triggers that are popular among certain raid groups are a bit overkill in my taste but I don't mind people using them. Should not be officially supported if the ACT features come to be integrated.

[Enlial]

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It's alerts can be configured to go off when a hunt mob is added to the entity list. Apples to oranges. Its why people can go afk at squonk for 12 hours and know the second bird of paradise spawns. Its why A-rank trains have a single person who leads the group to every mob. You can call it whatever you want but its having a big impact on the game.

Well intentioned or not, when you have something that works like "If this happens, then push this button", thats automation plain and simple

[Sebazy]

I suspect you're confusing it's capabilities with the actual hunt radar app =s

They gave the reason and made it very clear it will never happen because of the Koike incident.

It's a shame this gets cited as a reason for SE's stance as in all honesty, the parser aspect of it was just one of many angles they used to have a go at her. It was pretty clear that even with no parser data available, they would have still acted in the manner that they did. Trolls will be trolls irrespective of the tools they have to use

[Divinemights]

It's a shame this gets cited as a reason for SE's stance as in all honesty, the parser aspect of it was just one of many angles they used to have a go at her. It was pretty clear that even with no parser data available, they would have still acted in the manner that they did. Trolls will be trolls irrespective of the tools they have to use

It is not just that.
Japanese community will discipline themselves for this type of trolling behaviour.
These trolls are outcast-ed and have to change server and the names (still vulnerable to JP community internal blacklist).
English community on other hand will not discipline this type of trolling behaviur; and some will idolize these trolls.
Yoship is showing the emotion of disgust every time someone bring up parer.
It will simply never happens.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

It is not just that.
Japanese community will discipline themselves for this type of trolling behaviour.
These trolls are outcast-ed and have to change server and the names (still vulnerable to JP community internal blacklist).
English community on other hand will not discipline this type of trolling behaviur; and some will idolize these trolls.
Yoship is showing the emotion of disgust every time someone bring up parer.
It will simply never happens.

This is a gross assumption, and unfairly idealizes JP. Considering we have actual proof to the contrary, you're simply arguing with anecdote; poor ones, in particular.

For reference sake, a year or so ago someone was scammed out of their house. NA's response? The precise same thing JP did; bombarding the couple with Magitek cannon fire for two days straight until a GM intervened and returned the house. Assuming NA would have any less a disgusted reaction, or that JP is above equally awful people who idolize such trolls is pure and simple bias.

The issue with parsing is not the tool, but the people who use it.

I couldn't care less if someone is running a damage parser in the background to evaluate their own performance. What I will take issue with is if they decide to spout off about other's performance if it doesn't meet their unrealistic standards or expectations.

I'm never going to outparse someone who is in super awesome crazy gear. It won't happen. Do I put my all into every dungeon and trial that I run? Yes, and I know for a fact that i'm not near as bad as some folks who sleep through their dungeons.

And yet, even with that, i've had people make rude comments in dungeons about my DPS.

So to those who want the tool to just evaluate how they're doing? And see some numbers to reflect on their performance? Thumbs up. To people that are wanting to use it to malign others? Take a long look in the mirror, because you're the ones that are making the dev team second guess allowing this thing's use in the game.

Contrary to popular belief, people are far less likely to scrutinize numbers without according for certain parameters, such as gear. Will some inevitably be jerks? Yes, but I've also been accused of buying my Savage clears by someone who clearly didn't have a parse going. The majority want a means of measuring their own performance, and a percentage from there want to evaluate the group on a reasonable basis. For example, I was helping a friend some weeks back and we wound up with a RDM who had no business joining at weekly clear run. While I certainly have no need to be rude, I am also not obligated to essentially carry someone. There is a stark difference between...

"Hey, RDM? Your DPS is really low."
"wtf RDM? You fucking suck."

And it irks me the assumption is everyone who parses will always be the latter.

[Sigma-Astra]

I've never had a problem with people using or not using parsers. It all finitely depends on the user whether the tool itself is used for learning or for personal enjoyment through harassing others with it. And if someone is harassing you non-constructively because they can see your numbers? Well, there's a report feature for that. But, people also need to stop, and I mean stop, jumping up in arms anytime someone offers some constructive criticism regarding their performance in-game. There's nothing factually wrong nor is it a personal attack on you when someone offers to tell you that you have the wrong tank stance on or if you're doing a part of your rotation out of order.

Personally, I enjoy using fflogs as a tool to improve myself, especially since I started doing Savage content. It makes me feel really good when my numbers are even a smidgen higher than the last time and if they're lower? Oh well, off day or I messed up, stuff happens.