An alternative to parsing?

[KaivaC]

So I’ve been thinking about this for a while…while for the most part, the don’t ask don’t tell rule is pretty effective, it is fair to say that the lack of an official parsing option kind of sucks for those who are not able to parse (PS4 and small screen laptop users). I remember in a few of my threads back, there were a few ideas that were thrown in that resonated with me. What if, instead of having support for in-game parsing (battle damage, things like that), SE supported a parser that gave you that kind of information AFTER you leave an instance? Obviously, they won’t officially support something that occurs during an instance, but a detailed log that you have the option of looking at and saving after an instance couldn’t be a bad thing, could it?

Of course, because of the whole potential for harassment, this after-instance parser would only look at you. I mean, we do have a duty recorder, so why not implement something like this?

Let’s chat about this.

[Luin]

Been asking for it since 2.0, not happening, they never gave a reason why. This idea comes up every other month or so.

[KaivaC]

Been asking for it since 2.0, not happening, they never gave a reason why. This idea comes up every other month or so.

From what I've seen, usually it's included with parsing during battle. Basically, ACT. I was thinking more like one of those scoreboards that you get after a match in Overwatch/Call of Duty. Of course, if it has been asked that frequently, I'd say it's worth revisiting now since they gave us duty recorder. Surely there's some way the devs would be willing to give us some official tool to help folks improve, should they desire it.

[Fhaerron]

I don't think this will ever happen for 2 things:

Many people will be upset look at that 'other thread' for details.
We do already have what we want & a friend can parse a PS4 players DPS.

They allow the mod because they realise if they would ban it they would loose 90% of the raiding community, if they would make an official meter then 90% of the 'non raiders' would leave.
In the end SE wants to retrain as much people as possible for their money.

Maybe a bit of exaggerated numbers but that's how I see it.

[AppleJinx]

Then this isn't any different than fflogs where you can have a friend upload and check it yourself afterwards. It'd still be useless for on the spot feedback for improvements and optimization mainly due to the lack of on screen encounter timer.

[Fhaerron]

From what I've seen, usually it's included with parsing during battle. Basically, ACT. I was thinking more like one of those scoreboards that you get after a match in Overwatch/Call of Duty. Of course, if it has been asked that frequently, I'd say it's worth revisiting now since they gave us duty recorder. Surely there's some way the devs would be willing to give us some official tool to help folks improve, should they desire it.

Only works for Byako and it's received a huge backslash because 'people can see how I spam cure and not stone' type of why it should be removed from the game.

[CorbinDallas]

I want a parser so I can see in real time how I'm performing, not after the encounter.

[Myrhn]

I find this useless. People that wanna harass other now with ACT just do it after a wipe. People that wanna harass with your idea will just make it so we fight once go out check and kick people/harass as necessary. A tool is a tool how people use it is the problem or boom

[KaivaC]

I don't use the function myself...but duty recorder STILL only works for Byakko Ex? What was the point of implementing it then? Was it just a test to see how players would use it? To see if were would 'harass' each other over it?

I mean, don't get me wrong, I would love having an official real-time, but it's obvious that it will never happen. But I dunno...I thought maybe an after-instance log would be a decent alternative. I don't tend to have a parse option available whenever I go into relevant content, and SSS isn't really all that accurate about progress either.

I find this useless. People that wanna harass other now with ACT just do it after a wipe. People that wanna harass with your idea will just make it so we fight once go out check and kick people/harass as necessary. A tool is a tool how people use it is the problem or boom

A sad truth is that some players are going to get harassed no matter what tools are/are not available. I won't deny that it doesn't happen, because it does. I've actually recently been kicked from a group for a similar reason. It just happens. I just feel like the problem is the person(s) who are being jerks, not the tools itself.

[Fhaerron]

I find this useless. People that wanna harass other now with ACT just do it after a wipe. People that wanna harass with your idea will just make it so we fight once go out check and kick people/harass as necessary. A tool is a tool how people use it is the problem or boom

I've never harassed anybody but I've been harassed a million times with people that were not using ACT.

Another note, after a wipe in byako ex with a pug I explained tacs because I could clearly see they didn't know how to I was told I was an elitist prick and 'you don't pay my sub'.
Also, I told a healer once that there was no point in spamming cure when I was at full HP or 90% and would be a better idea to cast stone... man the harassment she gave me. I didn't wanted to live at that moment.
And I said nothing about DPS, just that I might have been a better idea to cast stone instead of spamming cure at full HP.

I haven't seen people getting harassed by ACT a lot, I've even never personally witnessed it.

You don't need a tool to harras, without ACT there will just be as much harassment as with it.