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  1. #41
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    Rayo's Avatar
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    Rayo Seibold
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    Siren
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    Samurai Lv 80
    as far as I'm aware the vast majority of players are on keyboard, which makes working with the camera and movement cumbersome which make melees fast paced reaction based gameplay far harder, players who use controller on the other hand aren't limited by that, with instant camera movement, being able to move in any direction at top speed on a dime, easier access to our hotbar and melee becomes much easier to play and understand
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  2. #42
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    Luin Vereist
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    White Mage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Rayo View Post
    as far as I'm aware the vast majority of players are on keyboard, which makes working with the camera and movement cumbersome which make melees fast paced reaction based gameplay far harder, players who use controller on the other hand aren't limited by that, with instant camera movement, being able to move in any direction at top speed on a dime, easier access to our hotbar and melee becomes much easier to play and understand
    Not an issue, you should roughly know where you're going before hand. Most DPS don't think about what button to press next, that's practice, with few exceptions. If you're worried about whether you can tap a key fast enough, then you need to spend more time on a striking dummy, not worrying about whether you should be using kbm or gamepad.
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  3. #43
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    Quote Originally Posted by Luin View Post
    Not an issue, you should roughly know where you're going before hand. Most DPS don't think about what button to press next, that's practice, with few exceptions. If you're worried about whether you can tap a key fast enough, then you need to spend more time on a striking dummy, not worrying about whether you should be using kbm or gamepad.
    of course the difference between the two are minor to near none with practice, but are you telling me you never wasted precious time backing up slowly instead of turning on a dime, or just simply clicking on a target with a mouse rather than going through a list. Also anyone can maximize a striking dummy, but this game is more than just rotation, its knowing mechanics and reacting to mechanics while maximizing your Effectiveness.

    Also what I said is mostly from what I witnessed with players from my own FC (I'm comfortable using either keyboard and controller) Most of the tank and melee mains tend to be controller or PS4, while most of the Keyboard users are ranged DPS and healers. with exceptions of course
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  4. #44
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    Noyoyo Noyo
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    Paladin Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Rayo View Post
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    You clearly haven't spent time using Keyboard control enough.
    First of all, keyboard users can choose between Legacy and Standard control scheme, and camera control via mouse swipe is very swift and accurate, so even if you opted out and stick with backpedaling movement you can still perform quick backward movement if needed.
    Second, tab target is a thing and people can still select enemy from enmity list.
    Finally, even with standard WASD movement, keyboard users have access to at least 3x(7+) buttons at any given moment (1-5, q, r, e, f , etc. plus modifier such as shift, alt, ctrl)
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    Last edited by mosaicex; 05-21-2018 at 01:54 PM.

  5. #45
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    I simply find it a bit annoying rather than difficult.

    There is a lot of factors that can ruin the melee dps damge such as Tank moving that cause the enemy to move (the side/back effects are missed a lot because of this), constant worry of heavy damage AoE at melee that force you to stop and run, and higher risks when fighting enemies and bosses since they tend to have more dangerous Melee attacks than range attacks.

    More things to worry about as a melee dps that Range DPS tend to not have torry since they are mostly out of range for these things.
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  6. #46
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    Rayo Seibold
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    Quote Originally Posted by mosaicex View Post
    You clearly haven't spent time using Keyboard control enough.
    First of all, keyboard users can choose between Legacy and Standard control scheme, and camera control via mouse swipe is very swift and accurate, so even if you opted out and stick with backpedaling movement you can still perform quick backward movement if needed.
    Second, tab target is a thing and people can still select enemy from enmity list.
    Finally, even with standard WASD movement, keyboard users have access to at least 3x(7+) buttons at any given moment (1-5, q, r, e, f , etc. plus modifier such as shift, alt, ctrl)
    While I'd rather not start having to get into why it doesn't matter how you press a button much less that I have used the keyboard control, I'm using observations from other people with the notion that the default settings of your control layout, whether you're on controller or keyboard can dictate your favored play style early on and likely future preferences.
    For example, I was helping someone who has plenty of on both keyboard and controller but was new to FFXIV set up their controller, and I saw them play fine on keyboard. I asked why he wanted to play on controller and they said that he liked playing on controller, as he felt like he was moving more efficiently which would help his tanking, ergo you can conclude that one possible reason for people prefering a job can be affected by their interface choice
    While I understand you can nearly make any keyboard layout effective, personal comfort and preference bias toward your controller or keyboard can naturally make you drawn toward certain play styles, unless you already have a clear idea of how you want to play a different job.
    I myself played melee on keyboard fine through out the ARR main story , but I grew up on action games on console, so I have a preference to melee combat and controllers which I took up to immediately after digging up some older XBone controllers to hook up to my computer. now a days I can play any job with relative ease. I'm not saying its fact but that its a possibility
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    Last edited by Rayo; 05-21-2018 at 03:59 PM.

  7. #47
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    I'shtola Maqa
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    Having mostly been a caster up until now i do find mellee more difficult. If for whatever reason i get spun around i sometimes cannot find my spot to go to while raiding, also there i the fact that in instances ranged can still be attacking while mellee cannot. I guess because you are close up you have to be aware of your surroundings
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    Doom Moonwalker
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    Black Mage Lv 61
    I've found it a lot more engaging, personally. having to constantly adjust my positioning for maximum damage, and avoid AoEs helps me stay engaged in the action.
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    Kurumii Tokisakii
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    I wouldn't say that one is harder than the other but that is different for every player. I have fights where i prefer range and i have fights where i prefer melee.

    Also playing tank or healer isn't hard, it just depents on what you like and if you are able to multitask.
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    Good talk, all. Glad we had it.
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  10. #50
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    Lana Arunika
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rayo View Post
    Something something most tank/melee mains play on PS4 because camera controls
    You know why the genre is called 'tab target' MMO, right? You just click "tab" to cycle to the next "Target" on the enemy list. There's absolutely no single objective reason for controller being better for Melee/Tank classes than keyboard. Personal preference? Sure, I accept that. But stop trying to spout it at some kind of mechanical reason as opposed to your personal comfort.

    I've been maining Melee jobs on Keyboard for 5 years now, having cleared multiple Savage tiers with above average performances on both Dragoon and Monk. I can guarantee you, without a shadow of a doubt, keyboard is every bit as functional as controller for these jobs if not superior.
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