PoTD (and HoH) are not just for weapon capped speed demons

[Zolvolt]

Hello. I have a major complaint about a common mindset of a few players that queue solo into Potd.

Palace of the Dead is an excellent place to grind jobs to level 60. I've been doing it myself now for many jobs and have come across a few players that have really hurt my experience there.

First I need to lay some ground rules on why people run Palace of the Dead.
1.) to level jobs quickly while avoiding bad queue times (typically dps)
2.) To gather aetherpool weapons
3.) a combination of the two.

Most players fall into category 1. I myself fall into category 3. I level and farm the weapons at the same time. Which means I usually go out of my way to check rooms for a silver chest. It usually isn't a problem and usually doesn't take long at all unless my party members don't help at all. Which is fine, they don't have to help but it takes longer if they don't.

The mindset that bothers me, is that players are entering PoTD solo queue and then getting upset about players who go to pick up a silver chest or upset about players that don't have gear capped weapons.

The first time I experienced this I was kicked from the party on floor 53 for going to the next room over to pick up a silver chest. The party members were aggressively vocal about "most players do this for fast exp" "we don't need silver chests" "they're useless"
When I said "I'm trying to get the aether pool weapons I need the chest" They responded with obscenities, yelling and and ultimately a kick to myself. I was very upset because how am I supposed to get the aetherpool weapons/achievements if players are kicking you for getting a silver chest.

My second problem just happened where we had two 99/99 players, and myself and a marauder were around 25/35. The marauder and I (a monk) were poxed with no purity and no heals. We died to an explosive chest and our 99/99 teamates expressed that we were not high enough aether pool to be here. We were on floor 54. One of them pulled a bunch of stuff and died on purpose and then told the other player to die so that they could get out of here because "it would take too long with these guys". Because we had aetherpool weapons that weren't capped. And they did it. They died on purpose to get everyone removed from the instance.

I don't see this changing in Heaven on High. We still need to sacrifice power for achievements/weapons outside of the instance. Players who are farming all these weapons will still be punished by players who are only here to speed run for exp. I want EXP too. But I shouldn't be punished for getting the aetherpool weapons and I believe that if you queue into PoTD or HoH you should have an understanding that other players may want to go and get the silver chests or may not have gear cap. If you are seeking that type of player I think you should make a premade instead of wasting everyone's time by abusing the kick feature or trying to get your group kicked out by dying.

[Rongway]

/partyfinder

Clearly state what you want in the comment, and confirm in /p chat before entering.

[Frizze]

The first time I experienced this I was kicked from the party on floor 53 for going to the next room over to pick up a silver chest. The party members were aggressively vocal about "most players do this for fast exp" "we don't need silver chests" "they're useless"
When I said "I'm trying to get the aether pool weapons I need the chest" They responded with obscenities, yelling and and ultimately a kick to myself. I was very upset because how am I supposed to get the aetherpool weapons/achievements if players are kicking you for getting a silver chest.

My second problem just happened where we had two 99/99 players, and myself and a marauder were around 25/35. The marauder and I (a monk) were poxed with no purity and no heals. We died to an explosive chest and our 99/99 teamates expressed that we were not high enough aether pool to be here. We were on floor 54. One of them pulled a bunch of stuff and died on purpose and then told the other player to die so that they could get out of here because "it would take too long with these guys". Because we had aetherpool weapons that weren't capped. And they did it. They died on purpose to get everyone removed from the instance.

In case one you had a clear violation of the rules of the game. Being abusive is against the ToS. Report these types of players. If they cant learn to be polite, we dont need them in the community. The second case feels more like a grey area. Dying on purpose to end a fight(especially if you arent sure you can win) probly isnt against the rules, although if youre doing it purposefully to avoid the penalty for leaving an instance and you discuss this in chat it might be. Possibly reportable. When someone ques via DF(for anything), one of the things they should be able to accept is that the other people in the group might not have the same priorities. This is equally true for the person who wants to go slower then everyone else, and the one who wants to go faster.

[Besame]

Go get your blue chests, most people don't care. Just don't bring a bunch of mobs back to us when you do so. Personally, I don't open any chests due to mimics. The chests on floor 51-60 which is the speed run floor, are useless in there anyway unless someone needs the aether up one. I like the groups that don't touch any of the non-aether up chests and just get through the grind.

[Zolvolt]

I just got kicked from floor 59 (of 60) because I went to get a silver chest on floor 58. This is a common attitude of people. I am so sick of this. I am 5 armor upgrades from my final potd weapon. I am so upset rn!

[Squintina]

In HoH they're "fixing" it by putting desirable things for high level players in the silver coffers, so that they won't just skip them.

But in POTD It's luck of the draw. Some people don't care, while others are just complete jerks about it. One way is to only get them if they're on the way (and not out of the way) so that they don't notice too much that the chests were picked up, but that means having to do more runs to hopefully have one that fits this criteria.

One other "fix" (ish) is the new token system they're implementing for both POTD and HoH. While it won't help people leveling their weapons for the first time, what it will help are people who want to get multiple weapons and not have to lose 30 or 60 weapons levels all at once, instead doing them in exchanges of 10.

[Zolvolt]

I don't think their fix is enough. Silver chests don't guarantee primal summoning so we're just going to see this again as skip the chests or get kicked. We need something more to be done. I do think that having higher gear strength is good with the tokens.

It would be really helpful if you could turn in 10 armor without turning in 10 weapon to help avoid the "my armor is capped but my weapon is no where close" problem we have currently.
It would also be really helpful if players couldn't be kicked from potd until a certain time limit has passed on that floor or something.

[Alma_karma]

If you are running floor 50 for chests with level 25/35 you are already holding the 99/99 players back. Your health and your dps is less based on your arm and armour. Its similar to being under leveled or under geared in normal content. Obviously its not the same but i do suggest partying up with likeminded individuals or taking your run to floor 100 instead of spamming 50-60. The higher you go the better chance that chest that just you went out of your way to get will have an gear up for you.
Ive run hundreds of hours of potd. Its horrid to spam run for levels and silver chests locators can grate on your nerves when you are just trying to get your grind out of the way. We've all been both sides. Just look for chests quickly while you clear the floor and respect others by leaving that one room across the map unchecked. It'll also speed up your time. Especially since most of the time it's not there, won't get you a levelup, is a mimic, or gets mobs on route in the process.

[Tempest222]

I haven’t done a whole ton of POTD, but I luckily haven’t had any horrible issues in the runs I have done. I have noticed people temd to be really in a rush though and a few times I just had to go along with the group to tho the next floor leaving part of the map unexplored and potentially leaving a weapon/armor upgrade chest behind. I haven’t had any group refuse to go into a skipable area that had already been revealed to contain a silver chest at least.

I don’t really understand being in that much of a rush that you can’t be bothered to spend an extra 30 seconds helping a non capped person grab a chest. I’ve seen people say thru can’t be bothered to spend an extra couple of minutes here and there because the time adds up and if they had to spend that extra time every day for say a week then they’ll have wasted an extra 15 minutes of their life. And to that sort of attitude I scratch my head and say really? Who optimizes their time that frugally in their day to day lives that they literally try to shave seconds of any activity they can to “save time”, especially in a game. Plus everyone has to start at square one and those people who are in such a rush that they will kick someone over 30 seconds getting a chest were at some point in the same position trying to grab all the chests and relying on the kindness of strangers. I just honestly don’t get people.

It is what it is though and it seems many groups just like to plow through content and through anyone that might make their run seconds longer, so unfortunately it’s best to just grab the chests when you can and let some rooms go unexplored if the group seems like they all want to move to the next floor right away.

[ManuelBravo]

Palace of the dead has options, those who don;t like speed runs can always create their own group or solo. It's not that hard if you know your job and know the items.

For the most part it's for reaching floor 200, weapons are not worth it anymore :/, glamour based on gear, leveling xp -.- makes most newbies a pain, yet hopefully will learn faster then those doing fate grinds.