Machinist PVP Guide

[Alien_Gamer]

From Lace:

The video wasn't intended to show anything beyond basic things that I've seen frequently done wrong or misused. I didn't even cover burst as if someone can't properly use or understand the tools they have, they certainly won't understand how to burst, let alone climb ranked. The Wolf Pup's Den exists to help players seek deeper answers or learn more, and I make myself available there as well. But for all the preloading MCH I see in ANY mode, or the ones that blow Stun Gun just to overheat, this was designed to explain what seems unknown for all the people now interested in picking up a gun.

[Nova_Rox]

From Lace:

Exactly.

And what we need is something a bit more than just this basic, especially for ranked.

[Wintersandman]

Exactly.

And what we need is something a bit more than just this basic, especially for ranked.

Then make one.

[Nova_Rox]

Then make one.

I'm sure you have never had an opinion on something you can't do. Nope. Never.

If I had the time and the tools to do so, I would.

[Wintersandman]

I'm sure you have never had an opinion on something you can't do. Nope. Never.

I don't criticize the efforts of others if I don't have the time to put forward the effort myself. I appreciate Lace's guides even though they don't go in depth. It is more information than we had the day before.

Why would someone, Lace in this example, want to create another guide that is in-depth if all they get is criticism on one that is designed to be basic?

Your tone in your first reply was not an appreciative tone. This is at least how I read it and lets also be honest Feast is not the end all be all of PvP.

[FPZ]

I don't criticize the efforts of others if I don't have the time to put forward the effort myself. I appreciate Lace's guides even though they don't go in depth. It is more information than we had the day before.

Why would someone, Lace in this example, want to create another guide that is in-depth if all they get is criticism on one that is designed to be basic?

Anyone is liable to criticism when content is put out there in the public eye for viewing, whether they contribute to the community or not, your comments come off as white-knighting. If the person doesn't want to make another guide due to 'criticism', then they shouldn't be making guide content in the first place.

As for the guide, it's a good introduction, video effects are cool, font is a bit hard to read at times, overall it's pretty solid. It's mostly a front-lines / mass PVP guide, you should change the title as some of the advice in the video is misleading for 4v4.

But for all the pre-loading MCH I see in ANY mode,

Every MCH I have seen at high rank / good knowledge in 4v4 uses pre-load as their burst, Lace's statement here is incorrect and requires some adjustment / further detail so it doesn't come off as misinformation.

she hasn't done Feast in a long time.

As the guide states at the start 'experience is key' (paraphrasing), so I would avoid the misleading generalisations about pre-loading MCH's when it presents itself as misinformation in the current format of the guide.

[Divinemights]

Every MCH I have seen at high rank / good knowledge in 4v4 uses pre-load as their burst, Lace's statement here is incorrect and requires some adjustment / further detail so it doesn't come off as misinformation.

Yes, you do pre-load when you are about to burst, but you should not pre-load when your gauge is 0.
Therefore, I don't see why you think the video is mis-informed.

[Alien_Gamer]

It's mostly a front-lines / mass PVP guide, you should change the title as some of the advice in the video is misleading for 4v4.

Then you didn't understand the guide. How your job plays doesn't change between any of the PVP modes, this guide is to warn people of two common mistakes people make who are unfamiliar with how MCH plays in PVP.

Every MCH I have seen at high rank / good knowledge in 4v4 uses pre-load as their burst, Lace's statement here is incorrect and requires some adjustment / further detail so it doesn't come off as misinformation.

Yes, preload for burst, not starting the fight. There are many examples on this forum and elsewhere that show with video examples and math that using preload at the start of the fight with 0 heat is a DPS loss.

As the guide states at the start 'experience is key' (paraphrasing), so I would avoid the misleading generalisations about pre-loading MCH's when it presents itself as misinformation in the current format of the guide.

Oh boy...I can understand if you don't know Lace but you're just flat out wrong. Experience in PVP is the important thing, not experience in Feast vs Frontlines; PVP is almost all Lace does, experience is not a problem she has. Any job plays the same in either mode, the differences between the modes mostly come down to communication and priorities for a win. So far you've shown you misunderstand how the class is played and when you should and shouldn't use your buffs and accused one of the most dedicated PVP MCHs as giving misinformation. I'd suggest learning more about MCH first before stating someone else is misleading people.

[Divinemights]

Exactly.

And what we need is something a bit more than just this basic, especially for ranked.

This is a video to address two common mistakes for MCH players, it is not a guide to clime ranked.