Black magic...kinda sucks

[Nhadaly]

I have played through every single savage fight so far in Stormblood, i NEVER had issues with moving for mechanics and when i did there were ALWAYS ways to deal with them, you CAN deal with every single movement out there, in every dungeon, every raid boss, using the tools provided to you by the game, again, actual black mages with raiding expirience in this very thread tell you this exact same thing, if you cant deal with movement then its always your fault, there is always something you could have saved, or done, to deal with said movement.

As a Black Mage i am also top dps in most of the groups ive been in, unless i make major mistakes, or died, or a combination of both, you can look me up in FFlogs if you want for the perfect examples of when i wasnt top dps and when i was, and you can clearly see the reasons for both, BLM is currently top dps, hands down, the FFlogs metrics prove this, its proven, nothing of what you say will change that fact.

If you want to argue against good black mages like in this thread, please get some actual expirience with the class in high-end content first, or get a very good understanding of the class itself. you seem to have neither of those things right now, all the black mages here that have actual expirience with it keep telling you that the job, while it has some issues, is currently mostly fine in all end-game content, and none of the issues you presented are the actual issues the class faces.

I admire how much patience people have in this thread to tolerate all the nonsense the OP is spewing, clearly nothing is going to convince them when you present facts and they are simply ignoring them or otherwise.

Do you want video proof of everything literally every black mage here has said? https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_wLKZ0sJMUMFW7qTGNmhSg/videos here you go, all the video evidence is right there.

[zuzu-bq]

It's just the classic of people liking the job's look and what it does but not liking or not figuring out how it plays.

[Zerathor]

Claiming that someone needs to present parser data to prove they are a top DPS, or their opinion doesn't matter, is a form of harrasment and furthermore intellectual dishonesty. While I could potentially get you banned by using this argument to the moderators, they again probably could only ban you from the conversation, and that in itself would be intellectual dishonesty. Plus, I would consider a forum ban a slap on the wrist and only an actual game ban carrying any weight.

It's adorable that you keep threatening that you can get me banned, but don't (you can't). It's like you understand that you're wrong but want to assume you have some power in your very, VERY wrong arguments. With each reply, people will only take you less seriously, and I'm not sure if you comprehend that.

I'd suggest you stop making assertions on things you don't understand in this game, and either learn yourself, or ask advice to grow on issues you're experiencing. Or find a different job.

[KaivaC]

At this point, I feel like the OP has lost too much credibility. The discussion started off soundly enough, but if OP is now threatening to report people without proof of parser usage, then there's really no point in entertaining their responses anymore. Some suggestions were offered and OP has argued against every single one of them - which happens, but it's the nature in which they are currently defending said points recently that makes it hard to take them seriously anymore. The fact that OP has now openly threatened to report somebody multiple times makes it difficult to really want to engage with them on this subject.

[PerrinTaveren]

You don't need to parse to know that BLM has the highest dps. I can grab agro from the tank without any hassle while we have a samurai who has ilvl 370 full savage raid gear while i have ilvl 355 eureka gear. (unless i use diversion etc ofc, it is essential not to be a d*ck as a BLM) :3

I am a ps4 player so there is no possible way for me to get any solid proof that BLM is the highest dps. But, in fact, in my opinion it doesn't have to be. Yes in theory it is supposed to be a selfish job but you can't expect BLM to be a goddess while other jobs suffer in dps. And i don't understand the idea why every job needs a utility. I hope they buff SAM too so they can be more equal to us. I don't have any bad blood with any job, i like SAM as well. I don't, and probably most people, play BLM because it is the highest dps of them all! I personally like it. I like the playstyle, job style, big explosions etc. Idm if SAM or SMN or MNK has higher dps.

People should play the job they want to play because ''they want to''. If you don't like BLM, shut up and stop complaining! BLM was here since 1.0. It is a solid job and yes it is hard to master but some people love the challenge. Not every job should be RDM *cough*

And don't threaten people. It is a sign of toxicity and people can report toxic people as well. Be good, be good at your job and play the game because it is fun! Don't think too much about who has the highest dps. Just enjoy. And if you don't, please, don't talk about it.

[Frizze]

Malkria, lets pretend the last 15 pages hadnt happened for a minute. You were liking the class, but as you got into higher level content some of the mechanics that veteran BLMs have been used to/dealing with for a couple years now started to get in the way of your fun. Because of this, you feel the class is poorly designed for the setting of the combat system in this particular game. You could make similar arguments for a couple more classes(playing ninja with a poor connection is painful, getting top tier results from several of the classes requires really clunky feeling play). But hey, Im sure almost everyone here could name a couple quality of life improvements theyd like to see for the class(pretty much every class has some of these theyd like afterall). So even if we all "agreed" with you, whats your end game? A complete re-design would take months(theyd probly only be willing/able to implement something like that during an expansion patch) and might alienate the people who enjoy the class now - it feels different then a lot of the other classes and some of us like that. And even then, a re-design isnt guaranteed to be any better. So before this conversation turned, what were you hoping to get out of it? Im genuinely curious.

Sidenote: And did you really think the conversation wouldnt turn against you? The first thing you said was "Your class...kinda sucks", and that post had a couple factual errors that people have since corrected you on. Thats kinda a negative place to start from.

[Shiroe]

@ movement on ps4

one aether macro on one player target is possible; choose one player in the party,.. want more, than lose a rolle class move or another move on the keysets.. trying to tab target on ps4, then aether is BS,.. need a macro for every player target

movement can be a pain on ps4

[Zerathor]

@ movement on ps4

one aether macro on one player target is possible; choose one player in the party,.. want more, than lose a rolle class move or another move on the keysets.. trying to tab target on ps4, then aether is BS,.. need a macro for every player target

movement can be a pain on ps4

I'm on PC but I still use controller. Don't use macros, as they're really bad at queuing up as an action and can be unreliable. (And AM primarily being used for YOUR own well being, it's good to have your safety as reliable as possible)

I find it easier to select target through the party list using up and down on your D pad. You can pick your target in the middle of your cast bar to minimize the gcd clip, or typically get fast enough to do it after an instant cast to not clip. Most of the time, the other range will be your destination, so up up, AM. if you need to be closer to boss, one of the tanks will be target usually, so down down, or down down down depending on which tank you want to be at (don't pick MT most of the time, go for tank not holding boss)

Other situations can of course be different, but you'll get faster at selecting your destination from party list hovering with practice. Each party member is 2-5 quick taps away, which you can do in under half a second after getting adjusted to that.

[Maero]

Our FC has one of the top dps blm out there, look at his numbers and enough said.
Illidra Ethorn

[Remyogic]

The funniest part of this thread so far is OP has REPEATEDLY used incorrect examples, completely un-connected analogies, out-right mistated facts, and brought gender victimization into the conversation...............THEN she turns around and throws out that others are being intellectually dishonest??

I don't even play Black Mage, I came to this thread because I am looking into leveling a Black Mage and want to be informed about the class. BUT, it's pretty common sense who's right when someone who has a few weeks of playtime with a class at low-to-mid level ability says there are issues and MULTIPLE people who have YEARS of experience with the class at the highest levels say you need to practice more (paraphrasing basically EVERYONE) and your issues will be resolved.............

Disregarding an experts opinion for a layman's IS intellectual dishonesty. Practice what you preach.