Black magic...kinda sucks

[Malkria]

God, I wish I could be naive enough to blatantly skip over other people's points and then claim I'm being ignored.

Oh how I wish I could just put words into other people's mouths and find deeper meaning in their actions then what they state, despite what they keep saying over and over.

Honestly, it sounds like this is not the job for you. You'd be better off with a SMN if you want the kind of mobility you want while dishing out high level damage. If you want a caster with the most mobility, it's either SMN or RDM. BLM is fine as its intended role as a turret.

First off when I make posts like this it isn't just my own viewpoint I am coming from, and when I make suggestions to changes I try to think how best to do it in a way that preserves the mastery of a job/class. I do this for any game I have suggestions for, and frankly I find it so laughable that everyone seems to know how badly I hate the turret playstyle but me.

Second, like I said, the core of the BLM is momentem, not being a turret. The core of the BLM is:

-Heavy direct DPS with long cast times
-The depletion and refilling of the MP bar (the fire and ice cycle)

The fact that you tend to stay still for those cast times is a side effect, and the only spell that actually tells you to stay in one spot is Ley lines. So does that mean that WHM is a melee caster since both holy and assize need to be cast at melee range? Even then, you can keep the turret aspect in a much better fashion such as with the example I hypothesized on. This means that you could easily not only condense a few of the aspects you like into the actuam mechanics of the job, but this in turn would allow other abilities to be added that might make the job more interesting to play as well. As currently, the job is all about the various levels of fire and ice which leaves the AoE version of said spells kind of lacking.

So no, I don't hate the turret aspect, for all that is good please stop saying that; it's just I strongly feel that the turret aspect AS IT IS NOW does not mesh with the game well AS IT IS NOW. Is the job playable? Yes. Can you make it work? Yes. But neither of those things preclude that the job is well designed or meshes well. Period.

[Menriq]

First off when I make posts like this it isn't just my own viewpoint I am coming from

Just a suggestion, but perhaps only speak for yourself and not others? Other people are free to express their own viewpoint if they are so inclined.

and when I make suggestions to changes I try to think how best to do it in a way that preserves the mastery of a job/class. I do this for any game I have suggestions for, and frankly I find it so laughable that everyone seems to know how badly I hate the turret playstyle but me.

From reading this thread, it seems like you don't quite have a master of this job / class. That's ok. I'm getting ready to main BLM, so I'm quite ignorant of the nuances as well. As others have said and I'll support, perhaps the class isn't for you. I'm an Omnitank, and I probably will not play DRK or WAR outside of getting the achievements if I don't have to. I've always preferred PLD and it's playstyle. One of the big draws of FFXIV IMO is that the classes are quite varied, so there are options. I personally hope the classes keep their uniqueness instead of trying to make them similar.

Second, like I said, the core of the BLM is momentem, not being a turret. The core of the BLM is:

-Heavy direct DPS with long cast times
-The depletion and refilling of the MP bar (the fire and ice cycle)

Can you point me to the official stance of what the core of BLM is? Otherwise, this seems to be more your interpretation.

[Zerathor]

I mean, you're entitled to your opinion, but coming from a blm that actually does content on a blm, I can assure you that it's fine. It has a steeper learning curve, but you have all the tools you need to keep 100% uptime on any savage fight and still be mobile. If I wanted to play a job where I can just yolo fights and not have to plan ahead for anything, I'd just play bard.

Blm has other issues that have nothing to do with its playstyle.

Even while learning fights, there's methods you can set yourself up for safety, then adapt for optimal play as it progresses.

[Malkria]

Just a suggestion, but perhaps only speak for yourself and not others? Other people are free to express their own viewpoint if they are so inclined.

Well according to a lot of people in this thread everything about the BLM is fine...except if you go back in the forums history you will see a LOT of people who apparently find various aspects of the job needing to be fixed. So...apparently I have a leg to stand on here, and you and your patrization can go somewhere else yourself.

From reading this thread, it seems like you don't quite have a master of this job / class.

Ah yes, the "you just don't like it because you don't understand the nuances...so let me get this straight. The job is supposed to be a 'turret' with a very simple rotation, so what nuance am I missing? Just because I don't like the movement of the system does not mean I don't get the 'deep and nuanced aspects of the job'...it means I feel the job can be a turret while not having to rely on GCD gaps for movement.

You can either claim it's a simple turret job with a simple rotation, or you can claim there is a deep nuanced system I'm not getting. But trying to argue both is frankly insulting to both of us, you for not making a better argument and me for your thinking i'm stupid enough to buy said argument.

Can you point me to the official stance of what the core of BLM is? Otherwise, this seems to be more your interpretation.

Can you point to the official line that describes the BLM as a 'turret job'?

Honestly, it sounds to me like OP looked up FFLogs or some other DPS ranking thread and said "Oh BLM has the best deeps, that's what I want". Now, they are struggling with the job and it's functions and, of course, that's the job's fault; not theirs. Cause, you know, GOD FORBID, they just aren't good at something!

Seriously if I had a dollar for every time someone on the internet told me what I apparently thought or felt, I'd be a very rich woman. Because apparently everyone who plays any job ever has to be worried about parsers and youtube ratings. 9.9

Sounds to me that the detractors in this thread can't be bothered to argue why the job is fine as it is when better options exist. But hey, I'm on the internet so I guess it's my fault for thinking people actually try to use logic to convince each other...I keep forgetting the preferred method is shout the other person down as a group, make them a strawman, and put intent and words in front of what they actually are saying. Silly me, guess I better get going before someone tells me to get back in the kitchen or some other stupid shit next.

[Menriq]

Well according to a lot of people in this thread everything about the BLM is fine...except if you go back in the forums history you will see a LOT of people who apparently find various aspects of the job needing to be fixed. So...apparently I have a leg to stand on here, and you and your patrization can go somewhere else yourself.

Sounds like you are taking this personal. It's hard to have a civil discussion when one party decides they are personally attacked.

Ah yes, the "you just don't like it because you don't understand the nuances...so let me get this straight. The job is supposed to be a 'turret' with a very simple rotation, so what nuance am I missing? Just because I don't like the movement of the system does not mean I don't get the 'deep and nuanced aspects of the job'...it means I feel the job can be a turret while not having to rely on GCD gaps for movement.

You can either claim it's a simple turret job with a simple rotation, or you can claim there is a deep nuanced system I'm not getting. But trying to argue both is frankly insulting to both of us, you for not making a better argument and me for your thinking i'm stupid enough to buy said argument.

Please re-read what I said. I said it appears you are don't have a master of the class / job. Perhaps if you have had extensive experience across different content, your opinion might carry more weight. I'm not an expert on BLM, so I defer to those with more experience. I can certainly provide my opinion, but chances are if I don't understand something to the depth others do, I should take the opportunity to learn more.

Can you point to the official line that describes the BLM as a 'turret job'?

I wasn't making the assertion of what the core BLM is. Therefore, since you are making the claim, the onus is on you to back up your statement. A perfect example was your claim that BLM is not top DPS, yet objective evidence (FFLogs) apparently debunks your statement.

Sounds to me that the detractors in this thread can't be bothered to argue why the job is fine as it is when better options exist. But hey, I'm on the internet so I guess it's my fault for thinking people actually try to use logic to convince each other...I keep forgetting the preferred method is shout the other person down as a group, make them a strawman, and put intent and words in front of what they actually are saying. Silly me, guess I better get going before someone tells me to get back in the kitchen or some other stupid shit next.

I won't speak to the end of your comment, but what you feel is better options is subjective. Let's take a step back, and work with what limited data we can objectively review, which is this thread. This thread alone has offered several logical explanations of why things are fine. It might be subjective, but the thing is, there are several different people who agree your suggestions are not good. You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but if you take it being shot down personally, that seems a your problem.

[Malkria]

Sounds like you are taking this personal. It's hard to have a civil discussion when one party decides they are personally attacked.

No my issue is that every single person has led off with "well you just don't like it because you don't know what you are doing". Or that I looked at FFlogs and just wanted to do maximem DPS, but the class is 'hard' and I don't like that. Or that I simply haven't gotten the next ability that solves all my issues. No it couldn't possibly be that I have played games for years, have played similar archetypes to the BLM in many games across genres, and couldn't possibly understand the deep and nuanced nature of BLM as a 'turret DPS'. I must just be a random silly girl who dared question the community and not like their beloved job and so uppity as to call out the fact that it really could have been done better. Or since everyone was assuming I was a guy, just some random bloke who just couldn't wrap his head around a three button combo.

So sorry I am 'offended' by a bunch of dudes who apparently like to tell me what I was thinking or feeling when I made the post or how stupid I am for 'just not getting' the BLM job. After a few days of having a group of people talk down to you, I imagine getting a little terse would be natural for anyone. If you don't like that, oh well. I would say maybe treat the next person better, but that won't happen because you all are "right" and I am "wrong" because reasons. 9.9

Please re-read what I said. I said it appears you are don't have a master of the class / job.

Because by all that is holy I am tired of listening to the broken record, and that no matter how many times I explain "i get it". Apparently you think i'm just a dumb girl who doesn't. You don't need to 'master a job' to get how a job works. That is like saying you have to be a master gamer to review games. 9.9

[Zerathor]

So sorry I am 'offended' by a bunch of dudes who apparently like to tell me what I was thinking or feeling when I made the post or how stupid I am for 'just not getting' the BLM job. After a few days of having a group of people talk down to you, I imagine getting a little terse would be natural for anyone. If you don't like that, oh well. I would say maybe treat the next person better, but that won't happen because you all are "right" and I am "wrong" because reasons. 9.9

It's still 100% sounds like you don't understand what you're doing. Your biological gender has nothing to do with your lack of understanding in this matter, and bringing it up constantly as your victim card doesn't make your case look any stronger. It just looks worse tbh.

Give it actual time to grasp how everything works fully, and you'll find blm is actually pretty cozy to play as in savage.

[Malkria]

It's still 100% sounds like you don't understand what you're doing.

Wow...no you know what, I don't care anymore. That is all any of you have said, despite not being able to respond with more "well you just move during GCD", which is exactly what using swift and triple cast is about. What exactly am I not understanding? So since that seems to be all anyone can say, continuing to respond and explain myself, only to be told what I am thinking or feeling, is just continued masochism on my part. But now, after being tired of being told I am a 'he' I guess I'm playing the victim card by pointing out that I am a woman.

Like I said, shout down long enough until the dissenter goes away. So good game "guys", guess that means you win. 9.9