Black magic...kinda sucks

[Malkria]

You keep saying this. It's demonstrably not true.

I didn't SAY that I was trying to derive meaning from his very bad grammar. You REALLY are stretching to 'win' at the internet if you take a question as a statement of fact. o.O

[Dualgunner]

For "BLM to not top the damage"...not exactly sure what you are saying here. If I am not topping the damage as a BLM? If the job in general is not top damage?

He means if the player playing BLM is of equivalent gear to his party members, if they are doing less than the other party members, then they are not doing well.

Either way, again you don't need to top the parser to understand how the job works, or at minimum how it is being played.

Don't need a medical degree to think the current methods of heart transplant surgery are flawed either. I can also just run over to the podiatrist any time I need a crown in my teeth or a cavity filling too.

The intent is for the job to be trying to push out as much damage without moving as much as possible to maximize the timer for umbral hearts and astral fire phases of damage, correct?

Uhm...kind of? The intent of the job is to maximize fire IV casts while maintaining enochian, with the knowledge fire IV and blizzard IV themselves to not refresh Astral Fire or Umbral Ice.

Meanwhile using swift and triple cast along with the other instant procs to move as necessary around mechanics, at least the ones you can't just eat the damage over. So if I understand all that...why do I need to make top parser, which again is against the ToS to use, to be able to form an opinion? You don't always need to master something to know that something just isn't being done as well as it could be.

So you understand all that, great. Then understand that people like playing like that, and are good at playing like that, and if you think that the gameplay style is so counterintuitive as to be stressful and not fun to play, the job probably just isn't for you.

[MoroMurasaki]

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Wow, so many separate quotes from one person. Chopping up their post and responding separately. You must be trying to cry for their attention.



Just gonna leave this here...

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post4670653

[P_Wing]

Wow, so many separate quotes from one person. Chopping up their post and responding separately. You must be trying to cry for their attention.



Just gonna leave this here...

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post4670653

Lol nice find.

[Zerathor]

Furthermore your stated attitude is exactly why the devs don't like parsers. I would report you myself but frankly I doubt the moderators have the ability to ban your game from the forum, and even if you say you use them there isn't any actual proof of it. So I guess we will just have to settle with you being called a jerk, you jerk.

Do it. It's not against ToS. Welcome to 2018. If using a parser wasnt allowed, 95% of people doing savage/ult would be banned. And every streamer ever.

You just can't harass people in game about their damage. There's nothing against using them for personal improvement.

So, subconsciously it seems you've accepted your arguments hold zero weight if your only response is to attempt to threaten people. Which is cute.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Furthermore your stated attitude is exactly why the devs don't like parsers. I would report you myself but frankly I doubt the moderators have the ability to ban your game from the forum, and even if you say you use them there isn't any actual proof of it. So I guess we will just have to settle with you being called a jerk, you jerk.

So you would report someone with the hopes they are banned for simply pointing out Black Mages should be near top DPS to actually have a believable grasp on the job? And you wondered earlier why people's tone shifted towards you? Nobody has said you have to be top tier to have a good understanding. I would, however, expect some degree of proficiency. The fact you immediately go to the report button because someone uses a parse screams you aren't looking to improve or engage but simply want everyone to agree with your opinion and no other.

Do you know why Black Mage doing "top damage" is considered a decent benchmark? It has the strongest personal DPS in the game, currently. If you're routinely getting out damaged by say, Red Mage or Bard. You really lack an authority to insist the job needs a supposed overhaul. Giving an opinion more free movement may be a better alternative is one thing. Alas, you haven't done that, but instead shout down anyone who prefers Black Mage as is.

[Malkria]

You just can't harass people in game about their damage. There's nothing against using them for personal improvement.

Claiming that someone needs to present parser data to prove they are a top DPS, or their opinion doesn't matter, is a form of harrasment and furthermore intellectual dishonesty. While I could potentially get you banned by using this argument to the moderators, they again probably could only ban you from the conversation, and that in itself would be intellectual dishonesty. Plus, I would consider a forum ban a slap on the wrist and only an actual game ban carrying any weight.

So you would report someone with the hopes they are banned for simply pointing out Black Mages should be near top DPS to actually have a believable grasp on the job?

No, like I said I would report someone for harassment. Trying to silence a voice you don't like by claiming they need to present parser data to have an opinion I feel is a form of harrasment and as I stated intellectual dishonesty. Furthermore as I have demonstrated via logic, there are plenty of cases in RL and in professional settings where people make important decisions and hold opinions others find value in without having done or taken part in whatever field they make policies about to critiquing the works of others. To argue that someone must master something to hold an opinion is simply not true, and by societies across the world not held to be true. To argue it is true here is both a childish argument and a blatent attempt to silence a voice that is saying something you don't like.

He means if the player playing BLM is of equivalent gear to his party members, if they are doing less than the other party members, then they are not doing well.

Fine, but that doesn't negate someone from understanding how a job works. You don't need to be top DPS to have a grasp of a job. Furthermore to claim such is rather nebulous in itself, because at what point do you suddenly know the job? If you do better in a pug? If you place in the top 10? 100? What if someone were 11 does their opinion suddenly not matter?

Don't need a medical degree to think the current methods of heart transplant surgery are flawed either. I can also just run over to the podiatrist any time I need a crown in my teeth or a cavity filling too.

Wow that is a stretch. First off by your analogy that would be like a lawyer arguing a doctor didn't do their job right during a surgery....except that is exactly who (in America at least) is going to be arguing malpractice suits. Even if that lawyer has consulted experts it is ultimately them who are arguing the case, and likely as someone who has never seen the inside of an operating room outside of being a patient themselves. Care to try again with the crazy analogies?

[P_Wing]

Finally, the biggest fallacy of this argument is that it would me we should always defer to the person with the most experience, but that in itself is dangerous logic because just because someone has been playing longer does not automatically translate to a better understanding of a game or even game design.

So who do you trust for understanding the game design? Because you do not seem to agree with anyone here.

[Mahrze]

I'm also not sure why this thread has gotten so hostile. It's just an opinion of a job. No need to bring personalities or anything else into it.

I guess people miss arguing with a certain someone xD

So who do you trust for understanding the game design? Because you do not seem to agree with anyone here.

They don't have to agree when its an opinion. Walls of text won't change that.