Paladin had a good run RIP

[WhyAmIHere]

Well I have all 3 tanks im ready for whatever but when you've played since beta you learn to read the tea leaves. My co tank is War Im Pld we've weathered several tiers of raid content together but it doesnt change the fact that the balance of the force is about to change. Like it , hate it but dont try to act like it isnt coming. War and Drk WILL be top DPS tanks together mark my words.

Then adapt, or move on?

[HyperiusUltima]

Better yet, all this just speculation. Just wait for the damn notes before assuming the worst.

[Capn_Goggles]

If DRK goes to have better dummy DPS than PLD, PLD will still be useful because it's better for progression and offers burst DPS as opposed to sustain DPS. With three tanks there's *always* going to be an odd man out, that's just a fact; there will always be an optimal composition and a meta. As long as Paladin is still good, then it will not be an issue.

[Llus]

The tanks who raid know exactly what Im talkin bout all the duty finder fast ques dont have no clue and couldnt care less. Im a PLD main since beta I know thier strong points and weak points this update will put them on the weak side when DPS= Clears for top raid content.

Hey, you should be happy that they get more DPS, maybe you'll be able to break 50th percentile by switching to DRK! Before screaming "The sky is falling! The sky is falling!", because you won't be able to to end-game raids; do the end-game raids....

[DaulBan]

Hey, you should be happy that they get more DPS, maybe you'll be able to break 50th percentile by switching to DRK! Before screaming "The sky is falling! The sky is falling!", because you won't be able to to end-game raids; do the end-game raids....

What he's saying sounds kinda... strange, but there's no reason to bring his fflogs into the conversation.

[WhyAmIHere]

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Your attitude is why FFlogs are a double edged sword.

[Hierro]

Your attitude is why FFlogs are a double edged sword.

Someday we'll all have oranges. We're gonna make it, brahs.

[Llus]

TBH PLD needs....more powerful utility. Maybe lower the CD on DV to 1 min and Passage needs to suck less somehow and uhh idk maybe even buff Intervention. Defensive utility isn't super viable and PLD may end up lost again depending on how strong DRK becomes.

Also I think WAR needs nerfing(or DRK/PLD buff). It's p ridiculous that WAR can pop off 5.2K where PLD struggles to reach 5k, and DRK struggles to reach 4.9.

Logs don't really back this up, the 99th percentile WARs, PLDs and DRK on god kefka are within 100-200 dps (5.1k for WAR, 5k for PLD and 5k for DRK). Median damage for each tank on god kefka are 4.2k WAR, 4k PLD and 3.9k DRK. Still within 300 DPS for average players. Now, the fact that DRK is on the bottom for both average players and 99th percentile players while having the least utility is a small disparity that should be made up for by putting them squarely on top of the tanks for 99th percentile as well as median. Boosting DRK DPS by 300-400 would more than make up for their lack of utility and put them about 100 DPS higher than WAR and 200 higher than PLD. The rotations for WAR, PLD and DRK are pretty brain dead with PLD probably being slightly more complex just because you have to time your FoF and requiescat windows properly (which are already very forgiving). The 123 nature of DRK is only made slightly demanding due to the off-globals you have to weave in (basically dark arts) while the complexity of WAR is simply remembering eye path path, keep your rage above 50, don't overcap and be sure to be below 50 when you IR so you don't lose rage if infuriate comes up during your IR. I've never seen the tanks so well balanced in terms of DPS as they are now, but yes DRK needs more DPS becuase they have the least utility and arguably the worst mitigation.

Compare the current balance (5.1k WAR, 5k PLD, 5k DRK - 2% less than WAR) against alex prime in HW (2.1k WAR, 2k DRK, 1.7k PLD - 20% less than war) combined with the fact that PLD's DPS rotation cucked DRKs because it included a hate combo forcing DRKs into using their low DPS hate combo AND the fact that those fights were heavily magic based which PLDs didn't handle well and you'll see where the real problems were. All 3 tanks have never been in a better spot than they are now. Easy combos, great threat management utilities, and very comparable DPS. By all means, give DRK more DPS since they have such low raid utility; but there's no need to make changes to WAR or PLD at this point.

[Llus]

What he's saying sounds kinda... strange, but there's no reason to bring his fflogs into the conversation.

He's saying that since he's an end-game raider, he knows that other end-game raiders are ALL going to drop PLDs from their PFs and implying that he won't be able to either raid anymore or raid as a PLD. So, I look him up; he has 2 clears, both below 50th percentile... So, I believe it's relevant to the conversation; his claim about knowing how raiders are going to respond and his vast experience boils down to 2 clears on the current raid tier and nothing on the previous raid tier. He's crying out about how baaaad it's going to be for PLDs now, but has no experience or statistics to back it up. I believe it's completely relevant to point that out.

[Hammerhorn]

Well since I got a stocker I play on a all PS4 team were currently on 3rd Forsaken god Kefka for reasons. We dont have fflogs cuz were not parsing but I can tell you currently I do a 4020dps V4 dummy parse. Plus how can I be compared fairly to other paladins who already have thier ilv 375 weapon. I didnt even know i had a FF log lol , trying to discredit me based on those padded PoS is your mistake sir. Besides you dont understand my post Im not worried its more of a public service announcement.