Thread: Monk Enmity Skill in 4.3

Trick Attack's contributions are high however, that comes at the expense of their dps, if you nerf trick attack, even if you buffed the damage back into ninja's kit. The job is still going to be weaker over all. At that point it becomes a weaker monk

Of course everyone else has free enmity cutting tools and Monk has to pay for theirs through some gimmick. The has been Monk since HW, just very weird, very questionable things added to them.

Now of course we have no idea what this is, but if it's a tool thats going to drop our damage for enmity control, Its simply never going to be used, and it'll join the rest of the useless gimmick spells Monk has like most of the tackles and Purification.

Originally Posted by Exiled_Tonberry

Of course everyone else has free enmity cutting tools and Monk has to pay for theirs through some gimmick. The has been Monk since HW, just very weird, very questionable things added to them.

Now of course we have no idea what this is, but if it's a tool thats going to drop our damage for enmity control, Its simply never going to be used, and it'll join the rest of the useless gimmick spells Monk has like most of the tackles and Purification.

Hopefully they put it on One Ilm Punch so I can just continue to leave that button off my bars.

First we get the Slow debuff on riddle of fire now they're giving us a straight damage debuff too.

Don't even get me started on how infuriating it is to have to click off crit shields in order to get Riddle of Earth to proc in raid.

I don't mind the idea of trading damage for enmity suppression so long as the pDPS lost in doing so is no greater than the rDPS lost by the most enmity-efficient tank taking up the difference.

But I do mind one job having to do so while no other does. Even if the job were overtuned to make up for it, it would inadvertently increase the value of NIN by association, as its enmity reduction tools would now be worth more. This is already largely the case with SAM, nevermind even the Midare+Higan+Shinten_spam per TA (and Guren per every other) making SpeedSAM more consistently NIN-benefited than nearly any other job.

If we're going to have to drop a TFC to Purification, for instance, then
1. there should at least be further value involved in that as not to be inferior to simply more tank uptime being spent in enmity stance and as not to overly value WAR and NIN (give us more attractive, viable options by which to forgo Invigorate, for instance), and
2. that shouldn't be a penalty limited to Monk in particular; they're not THAT overtuned, even in the best of comps (e.g. no-caster), to which they are generally restricted in the first place.

Monk sees meta use only among specific gearing choices in or near BiS, among Monk-favoring comps, solely in near-perfect play. They need to see broadened compositional applicability much more than they need a nerf. SpeedMonk is poor. Monk with casters is poor.
You can play Monk well as Crit>DHit>Speed_to_breakpoint>Det=Speed_after_breakpoint in no-caster speedrun comps or basically not at all.

Originally Posted by TaiyoShikasu

Tacking it on to Riddle of Earth would make the most sense seeing as how that's actually used.

It does seem to be the most likely skill to have it. Especially since they seem to be trying to redeem the other stances/riddles in general. Riddle of Wind allows us to use TK rather efficiently and now Riddle of Earth could cut enmity. Of course, it's still going to rarely used as Riddle of Earth is a last resort, but it makes sense.

I just hope they don't force us to use Earth Tackle on top of it like how wind tackle is needed for Riddle of Wind.

Originally Posted by Exiled_Tonberry

I just hope they don't force us to use Earth Tackle on top of it like how wind tackle is needed for Riddle of Wind.

Oh god that'd be hilarious. Not only would it never be used like, ever, but it'd also not be up when needed! I could almost see this happening.