Mod users in FFXIV are getting out of control

[JackHatchet]

.......word of advice, you will not make any friends by projecting your ego and values onto others.

What you just said is applicable to caffeine. You wanna piss off some people? Tell them caffeine is a drug and comparable to marijuana. See how many friends that makes you.

(Pro tip: I only drink coffee prior to extremely physical exerting events like motorcycle races or personal record lift sessions. I used to ramble on and on to colleagues about how useful caffeine is as a temporary energy boosting drug as long as it isn't abused. Guess how many people I pissed off? Everyone that drank coffee on a daily basis.)

It's not an ego. I'm asking that people don't lie and don't make up fake news. Caffeine is a drug. And anyone who thinks it's not is just an idiot. You shouldn't coddle idiots who want to make up their own definitions for stuff. Don't encourage lying for the sake of your ego by keeping friends.

[HyoMinPark]

I'm asking that people don't lie and don't make up fake news.

People are going to lie on the Internet. Only in a perfect world would they not. You may have a moral high ground not to, but not everyone shares that. Hence why you research and discern truths instead of just taking things at face value. Inb4 I am accused of encouraging lying, I am not. Just saying that this isn't a perfect world, and people are going to do it regardless of what you ask.

[Lynart]

People are going to lie on the Internet. Only in a perfect world would they not. You may have a moral high ground not to, but not everyone shares that. Hence why you research and discern truths instead of just taking things at face value. Inb4 I am accused of encouraging lying, I am not. Just saying that this isn't a perfect world, and people are going to do it regardless of what you ask.

...it's fine really. I don't see any need to condemn or try to convince the quoted. There are far more people like the quoted than you and I; our empathetic mindset gives a massive advantage in every social situation; this is especially true for work place politics (aka. getting more monies.)

Besides, pointing out someone's flaw will do nothing but force them to strengthen their position. At best it assuages our egos because we're seeing something they don't and are pointing it out.

[hydralus]

...it's fine really. I don't see any need to condemn or try to convince the quoted. There are far more people like the quoted than you and I; our empathetic mindset gives a massive advantage in every social situation; this is especially true for work place politics (aka. getting more monies.)

Besides, pointing out someone's flaw will do nothing but force them to strengthen their position. At best it assuages our egos because we're seeing something they don't and are pointing it out.

You sound like a robot or an alien experiencing humanity in the third person where the importance of social acceptance is far greater than any point to be made.

[Lynart]

You sound like a robot or an alien experiencing humanity in the third person where the importance of social acceptance is far greater than any point to be made.

Thank you. It means I've fixed some of my old judgmental problems and have ascended =P

[hydralus]

Thank you. It means I've fixed some of my old judgmental problems and have ascended =P

It's just a weird stance to take in a forum for discussion. It's essentially the "you must be great at parties" argument, as in you feel personally offended by someone's opinion but don't have one to counter it and instead use social pressure to shame. The fact you brought up making more money in the workplace, as if that has anything to do with anything on a forum for a videogame, just tells me you're not looking to have a conversation, just put people down.

[KisaiTenshi]

It's not an ego. I'm asking that people don't lie and don't make up fake news. Caffeine is a drug. And anyone who thinks it's not is just an idiot. You shouldn't coddle idiots who want to make up their own definitions for stuff. Don't encourage lying for the sake of your ego by keeping friends.

Of course doing so doesn't earn any friends because "You're ruining their fun" by taking the moral high ground and showing them a mirror where they're ugly. People break rules because they know the rules are not enforced. That is different from breaking rules because the rules are unjust (Eg rules made to prevent peaceful protest, journalism or "bedroom behavior".) Who really cares about what you do in your own private space as long as you don't bring someone else into it against their will.

And that is why graphical mods and third party tools are a problem, it breaks rules set by the software developer to ensure people play nice and fairly, they affect others because no consent is needed to operate them, and yet the very nature of the MMO game requires consent at all times. People go "oh it's only client sided", but it's not the second you post anything online that is a result of those mods or tools.

People going "it's only pixels" are the same people who complain about their identity being stolen after oversharing on facebook. Yeah, it's only pixels when you're not the victim.

That game avatar might be an extension of someone's personality, but people do put an important attachment on that identity, and if someone starts posting "Lala's gone Loli" pics using players who did not consent to it, then that person is no different than the perv who takes upskirt shots at the mall using the same logic of "if you don't know it exists, then it doesn't exist."

[KaivaC]

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Oh...you're back.

So, tell me: if I decided to go for a mod that allows Kaiva to be barefoot, who exactly does that affect aside from me?

[KeyboardFacerollname]

Oh...you're back.

So, tell me: if I decided to go for a mod that allows Kaiva to be barefoot, who exactly does that affect aside from me?

I don't want you posting pictures of MY bare feet so some weird foot fetishists can get their jollies!

[Crystal_Raven]

Of course doing so doesn't earn any friends because "You're ruining their fun" by taking the moral high ground and showing them a mirror where they're ugly. People break rules because they know the rules are not enforced. That is different from breaking rules because the rules are unjust (Eg rules made to prevent peaceful protest, journalism or "bedroom behavior".) Who really cares about what you do in your own private space as long as you don't bring someone else into it against their will.

And that is why graphical mods and third party tools are a problem, it breaks rules set by the software developer to ensure people play nice and fairly, they affect others because no consent is needed to operate them, and yet the very nature of the MMO game requires consent at all times. People go "oh it's only client sided", but it's not the second you post anything online that is a result of those mods or tools.

People going "it's only pixels" are the same people who complain about their identity being stolen after oversharing on facebook. Yeah, it's only pixels when you're not the victim.

That game avatar might be an extension of someone's personality, but people do put an important attachment on that identity, and if someone starts posting "Lala's gone Loli" pics using players who did not consent to it, then that person is no different than the perv who takes upskirt shots at the mall using the same logic of "if you don't know it exists, then it doesn't exist."

Graphical mods are a problem...let me just stop you there. There's dozens of graphical mods that improve the overall quality of the game which in turn improves the quality for tho who play and use the mod. Sure there are 2 or 3 mods that add nudity, but then again. It's pixels on a screen, it's not your real self. You are not being stalked and seen naked in real life, it doesn't matter.

I've been the "victim" of people posting naked pictures of my characters on a variety of games, the first one was i think about 5 years ago, i'm still trying to find a reason to care, it's probably gonna take me my lifetime to figure it out, and i still won't find a reason to care. You can't compare your character being seen naked somewhere to identity theft, how are these two even related?
One is considered a felony in many countries and is punishable with the felon paying at least $1.000 in fines and jail time, the other is your feelings being offended.

If anything people taking naked pictures of my character is pretty flattering, i made my character so well that it's worth it to them to do that.

Oh and tell me more how taking pictures of naked characters is the same as taking pictures of girls underwear without consent in PUBLIC of all places? One is considered a crime and can be punished with a fine and also jail time, the other is your feelings. Guess which one the law cares about. Quit making these ridiculous comparisons. They are in no way, shape or form related.

Punishing all people who use mods simply because someones feelings gets offended because of 1 or 2 nude mods exist is selfish and outright ignorant. It's the same as me coming on these forums, making a post saying that one of the graphic options is offensive and triggers my feelings therefore no one should use it and it should be removed and banned. Do you see how stupid that sounds?