Mod users in FFXIV are getting out of control

[KaivaC]

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Please, do name these two MMOs supposedly affected by third party tools. I certainly hope these games are actually decent MMOs with a decent size player base.

You cannot equate bots to ACT because in essence, they achieve different functions. Somebody who does not raid or even utilize the tool to help improve their own performance in endgame content should not be running their mouth about how it hurts anything. If anything is going to kill this game, it'll be the devs for sucking out the life of the game by being stagnant. Not third party tools.

[KisaiTenshi]

Please, do name these two MMOs supposedly affected by third party tools. I certainly hope these games are actually decent MMOs with a decent size player base.

You cannot equate bots to ACT because in essence, they achieve different functions. Somebody who does not raid or even utilize the tool to help improve their own performance in endgame content should not be running their mouth about how it hurts anything. If anything is going to kill this game, it'll be the devs for sucking out the life of the game by being stagnant. Not third party tools.

Oh that tool definitely hurts the game in more than one way. Harassment being on the top of the list, and "triggers" being the other. For someone who didn't want other MMO's being brought into the thread, now you're asking about those? Use the search button, I'm sure I've mentioned them before.

Reading the source code to ACT or the FFXIV ACT plugin is easy, so yes I know exactly what it does and what it is capable of, and it's capable of doing the exact same thing any bot can do, so please don't pretend it isn't.

[Fhaerron]

Oh that tool definitely hurts the game in more than one way. Harassment being on the top of the list, and "triggers" being the other.

How does it hurt the game? It allows me to try different rotations and new things and see how my DPS changes (for worse or better), and when I was still new and learning this DPS meter helped me a great deal.
I use a DPS meter in ESO
I use a DPS meter in WoW
I use a DPS meter in RIFT

I'm a tank and maintaining emnity and mitigating damage are the 2 main things I need to take care off, but after that my personal goal is to always aim for higher damage while not failing the other 2.
The game itself does not show me how much damage per second I did to the boss.
I don't care I can kill the SSS dummy in time, I care about how high my DPS is on the first run and the second run and the third, ...
I want to keep improving, uping that number, gear improving, skill improving.

Am I playing the game wrong?

[TheAngelneer]

Oh that tool definitely hurts the game in more than one way. Harassment being on the top of the list, and "triggers" being the other.

For anyone wondering why Kisai is on a crusade against ACT, just read the discussion that started with this post, and also here.