Mod users in FFXIV are getting out of control

[ko_]

When people say " In the strictest interpretation " would it be wrong for people to go by that term? Simply asking. And I ask cause if you go by that term then wouldn't people who say it's wrong to hack be right? Or a better question is should SE go by the strictest interpretation?

[Sebazy]

This is normal for them. They always go off on tangents like this, twist words to try and fit their narrative, and constantly post misinformation. It isn't just related to ACT, either. Just whatever they want to argue about in whichever thread they wish to hijack.

Pretty much this. They follow a similar approach in many other threads as well.

This whole argument of ACT writing to the game clients memory space still has me puzzled as to where it's come from.

[HyoMinPark]

When people say " In the strictest interpretation " would it be wrong for people to go by that term? Simply asking. And I ask cause if you go by that term then wouldn't people who say it's wrong to hack be right? Or a better question is should SE go by the strictest interpretation?

You would normally go by what the company considers to be the “interpretation” of an action, I would think. It is difficult for me to say, because, as far as I am aware, there are pros and cons by going by the “strictest interpretation” of something, and by “what the company considers X to be”. I don’t think this is an easy question to answer. Safest bet, in my opinion, is to just go by what the company considers.

That being said, SE has already adopted a “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy about ACT. The developers are well aware that it is used by the majority of raiders, and just about every world-first/speed-kill group. They watched the Ultimate streams, which had and ACT overlay present usually, and did nothing to the individuals in the streams. They have consistently said, in the past, that so long as ACT is not used to harass other individuals, and as long as people keep it under wraps, they will not do anything about it. Probably because they realize that it would negatively impact the raid scene (e.g., a lot of raiders would stop playing), or that people would just invent a new program with new workarounds (e.g., ACT v2.0). Keep in mind that, when people report ACT harassment, the punishment is usually under the “harassment” portion of the report; rarely is it ever about the program usage itself. The same would be said if people were harassing you with screenshots of your character naked, or with lewd /tells.

It’s my personal opinion that, if SE has not shown any outward concern or any plans to actively punish the usage of third-party tools (this includes ACT, ReShade, Chromatics, and mod usage), then why are other people getting so up in arms over them? If the sheer possibility that someone could be running ACT or a mod of any kind (not just the nude mod) bothers you that much—again, just the possibility of it—maybe you should take a few steps back from the game to clear your head. A program like ACT, or things like clothing or hair mods, are not going to suddenly ruin this game. If this game crashes and burns, I feel certain in my guarantee that it will be because of something far more larger, and probably with the design of the game itself.

[Crystal_Raven]

Congratulations on derailing the thread so hard it almost became Half Life 3.

The thread served it's purpose, let it go.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

What is it with that guy? It's like ACT ran over his dog or something. For that matter how the hell did ACT even come up in a discussion about modding?

They hold a year long grudge over ACT because it showed how inefficiently they played WHM; once insisting you must use Cure and Cure II because that was how the devs designed it. Have a good suspicion they were called out and instead of improving, blame ACT for everything.

[AshlikeSnow]

While I don't have anything against mods personally, a lot of these outfit mods are making it so that my character can be seen completely naked on their side of the screen with nipples and all included! I feel like I am being seen nude without consent and I do not appreciate that!

LMFAO!! get a life plz

[Alucard135]

When people say " In the strictest interpretation " would it be wrong for people to go by that term? Simply asking. And I ask cause if you go by that term then wouldn't people who say it's wrong to hack be right? Or a better question is should SE go by the strictest interpretation?

Yoshi P's response

[JackHatchet]

My only issue when it comes with examples of "strictest interpretation" is that people like to lie and delude themselves and pretend that some things aren't what they are.

You know, if ACT is hacking, because it accesses Square's info without their consent then it should be accept that it's hacking. People shouldn't be butchering the language and lying to compensate for the fact that like ACT. I think they should just own up to it. If it's hacking--admit that it's hacking, but also admit that it's hacking on such a minute level that it's inconsequential.

But if it is hacking, and someone says it's not, and thus ignores how language works--then they're lying. And if someone is willing to lie out of bias then that just pisses me off. (I support damage meters. I just don't want folks lying on the internet).

[Alien_Gamer]

When people say " In the strictest interpretation " would it be wrong for people to go by that term? Simply asking. And I ask cause if you go by that term then wouldn't people who say it's wrong to hack be right? Or a better question is should SE go by the strictest interpretation?

Usually the strictest interpretation is a taking the face value of the rule as its written. Hacking is using a computer to access data in a system you don't have permission to access, so any program that does that, is a hacking tool by the strictest definition. If I wrote a program that would pop up a text message on my monitor whenever someone on my friends list logs in it would be a hacking tool because it would need to read the game data without permission. The less strict interpretation to focus the idea on tools that are used to access and manipulate data with malicious intent; IE people trying to change their game data or steal someone elses data.

In my opinion things like ACT and mods should not be considered hacking tools because they only affect the client side of things. If they affected the servers or other peoples clients, then yes it should be considered hacking.

As for SE, they right the rules as strict as they can make them. That way when the rule is broken they can point to it and say this is what you did wrong. But SE also knows that if they applied such a strict view to everything they would drive off all the players and the game would shut down. SE doesn't have to enforce their rules strictly, they just need to have strict rules to protect themselves.

[ko_]

Thanks for all the answers. I was just curious is all. Again thanks for those. I have a better understanding of it all.