Mod users in FFXIV are getting out of control

[JackHatchet]

I know it's not a perfect world and I know people will lie, but that doesn't mean we should accept it as the 'default.' Lying should always actively be discouraged--not tolerated.

If we really wanted to get into some kind of moral high-ground we could all argue about how if the nude mod doesn't represent people then that's implying that it's objectifying. And objectifying women as sex objects. People are basically arguing that the OP shouldn't get mad, because her avatar is basically a sex object, and she should be ok with that--because objects are not people. And her avatar isn't her. I can see why this thread is at 50 pages.

[Lynart]

It's just a weird stance to take in a forum for discussion. It's essentially the "you must be great at parties" argument, as in you feel personally offended by someone's opinion but don't have one to counter it and instead use social pressure to shame. The fact you brought up making more money in the workplace, as if that has anything to do with anything on a forum for a videogame, just tells me you're not looking to have a conversation, just put people down.

I can see how you may have taken it that way: let me give you another story so you understand why I'm not going into details.

I am a very proud motorcycle racer. I also lift extremely heavy and look ripped. The other day at lunch, a colleague told me I should participate in sports. I told the colleague "I do, I race motorcycles." The colleague said "that's not a sport! It takes no physical exertion."

My ego was hit. The motorcycle weighs 500lbs. I'm constantly swinging that beast back and forth. If I'm ever actually sitting down, I am fully tucked in, similar to a full squat, to avoid the wind from dragging against my body at 300km/h. My average heart rate during a session is 170bpm. My calves and quads both run into fatigue issues because of the constant leaning off. So I told them "I sweat a lot and my heart rate is very high."

One colleague responded with "that's because of your adrenaline", and another said "that's because you're in full leathers." At this point I shut up and changed topics: one colleague is morbidly obese, the other was scrawny. If we were to take a physical fitness test I would destroy both of them without any effort. But what is the point of verbalizing any of this? The best outcome is that I've educated them in their wrong view of motorcycle racing at the expense of their pride and ego (most people do not like to admit when they are wrong.) This gains me absolutely nothing except possibly creating animosity.

It's not an ego. I'm asking that people don't lie and don't make up fake news. Caffeine is a drug. And anyone who thinks it's not is just an idiot. You shouldn't coddle idiots who want to make up their own definitions for stuff. Don't encourage lying for the sake of your ego by keeping friends.

Here is the original post I could have responded to. I wanted to, but I don't see the need to. Even if I manage to convince JackHatchet that his attitude will cause him nothing but pain and suffering, and explained why people lie/make up fake news, I'll have to deal with constant back and forth rebuttals involving subjects I've been pounding my head against for the last five months. It'd be like a variation of the arguments I was having within myself, and everyone else that has the same attitude JackHatchet is displaying.

What the **** do I have to gain from that? His comments bugged me enough that I wrote a minimal effort response to, maybe, convince him to adjust his thinking style. And because of that, I'm now writing a god damn half essay. Lose lose situation.

[hydralus]

I can see how you may have taken it that way: let me give you another story so you understand why I'm not going into details.

Gonna be honest, I stopped reading at 'look ripped' because I'm pretty sure you're a troll. Bravo, you got me.

[Enkrateia]

Greetings, all!

The original topic of this thread seems to have been fully discussed, and additional discussions on this topic have veered quite far away from the original topic and concern. Thank you for the discussion, perspectives, and suggestions you have included. Since further discussion of this topic does not seem likely to push the original topic forward, and the off topic conversations are becoming heated, unlikely to change perspectives, and will not be returning to the original subject matter, we will be closing this thread.

LGM Enkrateia

[Esp]

Well, the good thing is, with that mod, you can also just disable the nudity option entirely: so you keep your small clothes, but you don’t have perma-sandals. Or so a little birdie told me~.

Oh, that's even better.

Please do me a favor and pet that little birdie for the nice info.

[Rinuko]

I'm kind of impressed at how rude some of people here are just because something they consider petty is an issue to someone else.

I can't be bothered to read all pages since i made my response but i think it's wrong to put everyone who uses client side mods for their own pleasure (aka glams or HQ textrues/hairstyles whatnot) be put in a box cause of a incident.

I think it's double standard since SE allow ACT (as long you don't talk about it) while mods are off limits?

Then the whole argument about "my character" is kind of amusing from the sidelines.

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Double standards. That's why.