Mod users in FFXIV are getting out of control

[KisaiTenshi]

It's not an ego. I'm asking that people don't lie and don't make up fake news. Caffeine is a drug. And anyone who thinks it's not is just an idiot. You shouldn't coddle idiots who want to make up their own definitions for stuff. Don't encourage lying for the sake of your ego by keeping friends.

Of course doing so doesn't earn any friends because "You're ruining their fun" by taking the moral high ground and showing them a mirror where they're ugly. People break rules because they know the rules are not enforced. That is different from breaking rules because the rules are unjust (Eg rules made to prevent peaceful protest, journalism or "bedroom behavior".) Who really cares about what you do in your own private space as long as you don't bring someone else into it against their will.

And that is why graphical mods and third party tools are a problem, it breaks rules set by the software developer to ensure people play nice and fairly, they affect others because no consent is needed to operate them, and yet the very nature of the MMO game requires consent at all times. People go "oh it's only client sided", but it's not the second you post anything online that is a result of those mods or tools.

People going "it's only pixels" are the same people who complain about their identity being stolen after oversharing on facebook. Yeah, it's only pixels when you're not the victim.

That game avatar might be an extension of someone's personality, but people do put an important attachment on that identity, and if someone starts posting "Lala's gone Loli" pics using players who did not consent to it, then that person is no different than the perv who takes upskirt shots at the mall using the same logic of "if you don't know it exists, then it doesn't exist."

[KaivaC]

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Oh...you're back.

So, tell me: if I decided to go for a mod that allows Kaiva to be barefoot, who exactly does that affect aside from me?

[Crystal_Raven]

Of course doing so doesn't earn any friends because "You're ruining their fun" by taking the moral high ground and showing them a mirror where they're ugly. People break rules because they know the rules are not enforced. That is different from breaking rules because the rules are unjust (Eg rules made to prevent peaceful protest, journalism or "bedroom behavior".) Who really cares about what you do in your own private space as long as you don't bring someone else into it against their will.

And that is why graphical mods and third party tools are a problem, it breaks rules set by the software developer to ensure people play nice and fairly, they affect others because no consent is needed to operate them, and yet the very nature of the MMO game requires consent at all times. People go "oh it's only client sided", but it's not the second you post anything online that is a result of those mods or tools.

People going "it's only pixels" are the same people who complain about their identity being stolen after oversharing on facebook. Yeah, it's only pixels when you're not the victim.

That game avatar might be an extension of someone's personality, but people do put an important attachment on that identity, and if someone starts posting "Lala's gone Loli" pics using players who did not consent to it, then that person is no different than the perv who takes upskirt shots at the mall using the same logic of "if you don't know it exists, then it doesn't exist."

Graphical mods are a problem...let me just stop you there. There's dozens of graphical mods that improve the overall quality of the game which in turn improves the quality for tho who play and use the mod. Sure there are 2 or 3 mods that add nudity, but then again. It's pixels on a screen, it's not your real self. You are not being stalked and seen naked in real life, it doesn't matter.

I've been the "victim" of people posting naked pictures of my characters on a variety of games, the first one was i think about 5 years ago, i'm still trying to find a reason to care, it's probably gonna take me my lifetime to figure it out, and i still won't find a reason to care. You can't compare your character being seen naked somewhere to identity theft, how are these two even related?
One is considered a felony in many countries and is punishable with the felon paying at least $1.000 in fines and jail time, the other is your feelings being offended.

If anything people taking naked pictures of my character is pretty flattering, i made my character so well that it's worth it to them to do that.

Oh and tell me more how taking pictures of naked characters is the same as taking pictures of girls underwear without consent in PUBLIC of all places? One is considered a crime and can be punished with a fine and also jail time, the other is your feelings. Guess which one the law cares about. Quit making these ridiculous comparisons. They are in no way, shape or form related.

Punishing all people who use mods simply because someones feelings gets offended because of 1 or 2 nude mods exist is selfish and outright ignorant. It's the same as me coming on these forums, making a post saying that one of the graphic options is offensive and triggers my feelings therefore no one should use it and it should be removed and banned. Do you see how stupid that sounds?

[ko_]

Thanks for all the answers. I was just curious is all. Again thanks for those. I have a better understanding of it all.

[Hakuro89]

They hold a year long grudge over ACT because it showed how inefficiently they played WHM; once insisting you must use Cure and Cure II because that was how the devs designed it. Have a good suspicion they were called out and instead of improving, blame ACT for everything.

So they found it to be a better approach to campaign a year long crusade to demonize & slay ACT than to admit they were a mediocre WHM? I think I just died a little inside.

[Anatha]

It's incredibly abhorrent to see someone conflate nudes of generic video game characters with actual cyber bullying, the likes of which ends lives.

Please get help. This behavior/topic is a red flag, a stop sign recommending against allowing reality to slip even further from your grasp. You are not your character, not unique. Not recognisable, none of our characters are. They cannot be. Especially when wearing nothing. It's impossible for someone to harass another person via taking racy pictures of their in game character and posting it elsewhere. No one would have any clue who they are looking at.

One could post a picture of anything and claim this is x or y person. It's unprovable and meaningless.

If someone posts pictures of actual you without consent then that is another story, but wake up call: Not only are you not your character, it's not your property, it's Square Enix's. You have no foundation for your complaint, it's just evidence that you're slipping. Slipping hard.

[XenoCranel]

It's incredibly abhorrent to see someone conflate nudes of generic video game characters with actual cyber bullying, the likes of which ends lives.

Please get help. This behavior/topic is a red flag, a stop sign recommending against allowing reality to slip even further from your grasp. You are not your character, not unique. Not recognisable, none of our characters are. They cannot be. Especially when wearing nothing. It's impossible for someone to harass another person via taking racy pictures of their in game character and posting it elsewhere. No one would have any clue who they are looking at.

One could post a picture of anything and claim this is x or y person. It's unprovable and meaningless.

If someone posts pictures of actual you without consent then that is another story, but wake up call: Not only are you not your character, it's not your property, it's Square Enix's. You have no foundation for your complaint, it's just evidence that you're slipping. Slipping hard.

Can we be friends?

[Zeonx]

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Basically what I said, very beginning of topic I don't see why they think that their character is them if that is the case, I think they need a break off the game.

I feel like they need a warning when they log in like they had with FFXI

[Seig345]

Basically what I said, very beginning of topic I don't see why they think that their character is them if that is the case, I think they need a break off the game.

I feel like they need a warning when they log in like they had with FFXI

I wanna say I remember version 1.x of FFXIV having that same warning when starting up the game, and it apparently didn't make it over to 2.0+.

[KokonoeAiyoko]

It's incredibly abhorrent to see someone conflate nudes of generic video game characters with actual cyber bullying, the likes of which ends lives.

Please get help. This behavior/topic is a red flag, a stop sign recommending against allowing reality to slip even further from your grasp. You are not your character, not unique. Not recognisable, none of our characters are. They cannot be. Especially when wearing nothing. It's impossible for someone to harass another person via taking racy pictures of their in game character and posting it elsewhere. No one would have any clue who they are looking at.

One could post a picture of anything and claim this is x or y person. It's unprovable and meaningless.

If someone posts pictures of actual you without consent then that is another story, but wake up call: Not only are you not your character, it's not your property, it's Square Enix's. You have no foundation for your complaint, it's just evidence that you're slipping. Slipping hard.

I don't care about people using mods but if someone is deliberately trying to take and show others pictures of your character with nudity to antagonize the person that most certainly is harassment.