Mod users in FFXIV are getting out of control

[RiyahArp]

What? Are you for real saying that people who write erotic fiction or erotic roleplays are mentally unstable? Actually mentally unstable?

Hyo...um I've known people like this. Not all of them, but there are people with serious mental issues as well as well adjusted people in the scenes. There are people who often are suffering fairly severe depression, or bipolar, or borderline, as well as healthy people too. I'm surprised this shocks you, if you are in one of those scenes you quickly find out who these people are if just to avoid them because they can ruin your life.

The weird, for me, is that nobody is seeing *you* but rather your character. The attachment to the concept of it being you is what's strange.

Idk...i mean, if someone yells at you in game, they only see your character too, it still hurts. If someone is perving on me, it's not just the character, its the player who animates them to a point. Othewise they'd just perv on npcs I think.

[HyoMinPark]

Hyo...um I've known people like this. Not all of them, but there are people with serious mental issues as well as well adjusted people in the scenes. There are people who often are suffering fairly severe depression, or bipolar, or borderline, as well as healthy people too. I'm surprised this shocks you, if you are in one of those scenes you quickly find out who these people are if just to avoid them because they can ruin your life.

I am sure that there are people like that that suffer from a variety of mental illnesses...but plenty of people in a variety of other scenes suffer from them just as much. There are people that do not write erotic fiction that may very well be as “mentally unstable” as those whom you claim do are. Your insinuation comes off to me as a blanket generalization that everyone or the majority who write erotic fiction or erotic roleplays are mentally unstable.

What shocked me was your blanket generalization. Because to me it sounded like you were saying that mental instability was directly correlated with writing erotic fiction and/or erotic roleplays. That’s what baffled me, because it sounded so incredibly prejudiced and ignorant.

I don't know about proof, but I'm not sure how you know she has none. Keep in mind there are a lot of sites for that kind of content.

I am probably not the only one in this thread that asked OP if they have ever had this specifically happen to them. Outside of the one /tell they posted (that actually occurred after this thread was created, so it was very obviously just a troll trying to bait them after reading this), they have provided no proof that this has directly affected them, that they have been directly targeted, or that it’s this widespread problem like they are attempting to make it sound like.

As for modders in general, no they don't. I thought this was specifically about one type of mod, but it seems you are thinking it is a false flag to get all mods out?

The opening post itself posts to caution players to “be careful” about the types of outfits they wear, as some of them have been modified to be more skimpy or lewd. It is not just about the nude mod, which is also not some brand new thing.

As for "you are not your character," I don't think it's that easy. If someone creeps on you online, it doesn't always make it better that it's just pixels. It also depends on the person, I mean, some people may honestly have dealt with harassment both sexual or not in their lives, and loss of control can be very bad. You're kind of handwaving it away some, in order to defend modding as a whole from being curtailed. I don't think it should be, but this specific issue is unique and can be dealt without judging all modders

I am not handwaving actual harassment; if you had read any of my previous posts in this thread, you would have seen that I advocate for them to deal with it as appropriate: report the individual, blacklist the individual, and then move on. The GMs are very good about dealing with harassment in the game, even if they cannot do anything about things like botting. What I said not to do, is paint all modders with the same brush just because one or two are being twats or acting like five-year-olds.

[Tsunenori]

Idk...i mean, if someone yells at you in game, they only see your character too, it still hurts. If someone is perving on me, it's not just the character, its the player who animates them to a point. Othewise they'd just perv on npcs I think.

I see where you're coming from here, but I think this part is just a difference of opinion or personality. A lot of players shrug getting yelled at off too since whoever it is doesn't matter to them and isn't a part of their lives, but your angle here is a fair one to take.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending taking pictures of people without their permission and posting them around and harassing them or anything like that. Even if we're going all the way down the well, and talking about NSFW content being misused in an ERP scenario, consent is still critical and the person doing something harmful to someone else is in the wrong. I just don't think targeting the mods is the issue here over targeting the people. I honestly can't imagine the people misusing this stuff are a majority within that group of players.

[JohnnyDevo]

Idk...i mean, if someone yells at you in game, they only see your character too, it still hurts.

I think the important distinction here is that the yelling is directed at the person behind the screen and not the character. The perving, however, can only ever be done to the character. No matter how many layers they peel off of your avatar, they will never ever see you naked.

And in the end? It simply means you can be as affected by it as you allow yourself to be. Just like with some stranger on the internet yelling at you. There's an identical amount of harm. There's an identical amount of ability to police it. So in the end, the only thing you can really do is choose not to let yourself be bothered, and to report those who harass you.

[Tsunenori]

Then the mod(s) in question needs to be restricted to the player's own avatar and people on their friends list. If that were the case then I'd agree: no reason whatsoever to complain about what consenting people are doing on their own time with their own game.

If there was a way to actually do this I don't think you'd see much complaining about it. This is one of those "sure it'd be nice" ideas that doesn't actually have a way to exist because that's just not how it works, and the only way to actually try to change something like that would be for Square-Enix to officially sanction it and that's something they definitely won't do. I'm with you there though.

Um...why is this weird? The player has control over whether they want to wear a swimsuit or not, and who to wear it for. You don't have control over someone seeing you, apart from hoping the mod only works with specific pieces of clothing.

The weird, for me, is that nobody is seeing *you* but rather your character. The attachment to the concept of it being you is what's strange. I can't stress enough that this is my own personal opinion here though. You don't agree with that, and it's okay that you don't (and aren't the only person who doesn't), but that's my opinion on where some of the pushback is coming from. You can see the amount of likes on posts with similar statements kind of backs that up.

Most people don't really see themselves as or put much of themselves into their characters. Maybe I should have chosen a different word than weird, or made it more clear that the weird part was my own personal opinion and not a statement of fact.

[AxlStream]

Have we really gotten to this point? Complaining about mods you're not even sure people have? Welp with this community's hatred for an unofficial parser, it had to be expected.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Like I mean, I don't think it' unreasonable to respect people's wishes and not view them in the buff.

Except they aren't seeing you naked, they're seeing a fictional character naked. No matter your investment or personal attachment, the avatar you play is not real. It's this distinction some people seem to forget. If I run a dungeon nude, that has no bearing on my actual self.

You kind of contradicted yourself here. If it's just pixels and they don't matter, then why would it matter to you if mods improving visuals get affected? After all, the visuals of this game are just pixels. Therefore they shouldn't matter or be worth defending. But we all know that's not the case.

You are omitting the context in which that statement was made. People have said it's only pixel in response to those attempting to draw a correlation between their character and their real world selves. Hence the replies of people mortified they are being seen naked when it's "pixels on a screen." There is a distinction here which we need to make.

[RitsukoSonoda]

The most offensive people to me are those that feel the need to do everything they can to impact other people simply because those people take enjoyment in something they don't like personally and has absolutely no impact on themselves as an individual. Seriously this started with the OP complaining about what other people "might" see on their own screen that they can neither deny or confirm unless they actually look at the person's screen or get sent a screenshot outside the game. Texture swap has been around for decades. Is it against ToS? Yes technically, however most game companies generally do not care in this regard because the swap is only visible on the client side. Unless that texture swap results in an unfair advantage in game it has no impact on other players.

[RiyahArp]

Hyo I was responding to a post that all nude modders were the opposite, but that scene does have a good amount of people who are skeevy and suffering, and i say this from experience. So it's not really fair to safe "why no all modders like that are responsible." There are people who are ok, but in MMOS even in general, you'd be stunned at the people who suffer from illnesses, and many of them do end up in that scene looking for fulfilment.

Except they aren't seeing you naked, they're seeing a fictional character naked. No matter your investment or personal attachment, the avatar you play is not real. It's this distinction some people seem to forget. If I run a dungeon nude, that has no bearing on my actual self.

Look, the reason it doesn't bother you is because nudity doesn't bother you. It really doesn't bother me that much either. But there are things that would bother me that would be done with my character, and I'm sure there are things that would do so for you. If they were to happen, I don't think people would be so sanguine about it.

If the person has less of a tolerance, i don't think we should be dismissive.

I just don't think targeting the mods is the issue here over targeting the people. I honestly can't imagine the people misusing this stuff are a majority within that group of players.

Eh, yeah I'd agree. I just really don't like how people are kind of getting all heated over the mods above all or kind of downplaying a person's reaction because its only pixels.

[HyoMinPark]

Hyo I was responding to a post that all nude modders were the opposite, but that scene does have a good amount of people who are skeevy and suffering, and i say this from experience. So it's not really fair to safe "why no all modders like that are responsible." There are people who are ok, but in MMOS even in general, you'd be stunned at the people who suffer from illnesses, and many of them do end up in that scene looking for fulfilment.

I know that there are skeevy and awful people out there; I also speak from experience. Here’s what I do: I just don’t let it bother me; I don’t concern myself with what people see on their screen. I also am well aware of the fact that my character is not me in real life; there is a difference in lewd tells/screens directed at my character, and lewd comments/photographs of myself in real life. If someone were to contact me with lewd /tells or sent me lewd screenshots of my character, I would just ignore them, report them if I felt like it, and blacklist them. I don’t start a crusade about it; I also don’t just assume that everyone is like that person. I’m well aware not everyone has innocent intentions, but letting a harasser have power over you—or know that they have power over you—is what lets them win. So I shrug it off.