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  1. #91
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    I have what I think is an odd answer. A good player to me is someone who is a good PERSON - in XIV which is an mmo.- I don't care if you've cleared sav if you go around talking s-it to people like you're the best and just being horrible you're a crappy player in my eyes. A good player can do well and not die AND keep the team's mood in the clear and high. He/she doesn't degrade people they cheer them on. They treat people like people and not npcs or whatever. But that's just me. I define myself as a sucky player, I got alot to learn and practice everyday. But I do hope I come across as a good player cause I try my best on my monk or whm. I do what I can and everything I can, if something messes up I'm quick to blame myself first as I can always be better.
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  2. #92
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    Quote Originally Posted by FelixDaCat View Post
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    I had to have this pointed out to me recently, but my definition of myself as a good player is seemingly flawed, and I guess it’s something that I need to fix. Take this for an example: I made a mistake in a V7S run a while ago and while off-tanking as a PLD, the main tank somehow died. I voked Guardian, swapped to Shield Oath, and as my health was dipping under 39k and about to eat a tankbuster, I activated Hallowed Ground to survive. After we get through the Virus phase and we get to the Bibliotaph part, I grabbed the add, and was dead within seconds, even after popping Sentinel. In my mind, I caused the raid to wipe because I probably could’ve used a Clemency myself to buy the healer maybe another second. I didn’t have Hallowed Ground available either. Now, from what I’ve been told repeatedly, it’s not my fault on that one because healers should’ve been healing me. But to me – I could’ve thrown out a Clemency just to give healers a chance to heal me before the next auto-attack hit. To me, I’m the reason we did not complete the raid.

    Here, I’ll throw in a second example, same fight, different group. I’m MT as WAR, and during the second tankbuster, I foolishly tossed up Awareness + Raw Intuition (for note, awareness negates crits, but RI only parries attacks from the front). So naturally, I died to the tankbuster. And the raid wiped. I didn’t do that again, but because, as a whole, the group could not clear this particular run, I personally attribute that to my own mess-up from the first pull, even with subsequent runs.

    That’s just how I’ve come to define myself as a player. If that makes any sense or gives any insight to how I think.
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  3. #93
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    Quote Originally Posted by KaivaC View Post
    I had to have this pointed out to me recently, but my definition of myself as a good player is seemingly flawed,...
    That’s just how I’ve come to define myself as a player. If that makes any sense or gives any insight to how I think.
    you said so yourself there's no wrong or right in this discussion, that's just how forums are supposed to work, right? people exchanging ideas not for reaching an absolute conclusion but perhaps to learn from one another.
    I think it's good that you're trying to improve your perspective by picking up points from others, but my impression is, as an FFXIV player whose aiming to improve your individual performance to attain a certain ranking in the community, simply knowing how to be "good" isn't and will never be enough for you. you need to know how to be the best. after reading the replies it seems many think a good player is simply someone who's decently skilled, and has a pleasant attitude--someone who cares about teamwork. but a highly skilled player (the best, the 1%) is more than that.
    my point is, if you want to confirm if you're a good player based on your fellow players' definitions, I think you're definitely one, as you've shared how you're a teamplayer who sometimes make mistakes, but not because you're trolling. now if you're a highly skilled player, that is a different topic for another thread I think
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    Last edited by duvvvv; 05-11-2018 at 08:08 PM. Reason: char limit

  4. #94
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    Quote Originally Posted by RiyahArp View Post
    No, I just have opinions other people dislike. It doesn't matter what a good player is, because everyone here will define it differently based on their needs.
    Go re-read the OP. Matter of a fact I'll do it for you:

    So what do you guys personally define as a good player? By your own standards, that is, not one that is drawn up by the community or by the meta.
    You arguing about something no one is talking about, so just drop it and move on.
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  5. #95
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    You'll find out my answer only when you notice I don't bother anymore to raise them >.>
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    I wonder, outside of combat, what makes a "good player"?
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  7. #97
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    Quote Originally Posted by FelixDaCat View Post
    I think what it comes down to like others have mentioned, is what is a SKILLED player and what is a GOOD player. You can be one, without being the other and often people believe that being a really skilled/experienced player, automatically equals to that person being a good player. I think you can be a really good player, without having the skills/experience required to have done the hard/savage content in the game.
    This definition applies to literally everything.

    You can be a technically competent at any skill; it does not mean you are a good player (aka TEAM player.)

    I would take a below average player with an open mind to learn, that would easily become a good friend, over a competent player that is toxic.

    The above is true amongst many engineering, and software development managers. The skill gap between a below average and competent engineer or developer is massive...but I would NEVER want to work with someone with a one track mind and neither do many others. The best managers I've met were actually objectively worse programmers than me but they taught me so much about why that doesn't matter in the long run.
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  8. #98
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    A good player is the same as a good athlete. You are patient with new players, offer advice or aid when asked and always enjoy seeing new players get better as well as bettering yourself. A good player knows every instance is a team effort and adjusts their playstyle to make up for group deficiencies as well as perform well when there are group skills abundant. A good player recognizes that behind every computer screen is a person whose deserves respect, just like they do.
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    I define a good player solely by their attitude.

    Taking my context from where I am the raid tank in a WoW raiding group right now... and where I used to run a guild for 4 years long in the past...

    A good player isn't the one that comes to me with top skills.

    A good player is instead one that sticks with the group through the learning process of new content, provides good feedback when we fail that helps us progress further, and provides positive motivation for the group. They are not 'negative' in their attitude, and they don't 'jump ship' the moment we hit a wall.

    These days over in WoW, a single wipe on a single boss and you can be sure half of the PUG people you brought in will vanish... - that is my definition of a bad player. No willingness to work through the content. Too quick to judge. To quick to give up.

    A good player holds back judgement, has patience, and doesn't get emotional when blocks arise. They stick it out, and help people without being condescending.

    None of that has to do with how skilled that player is when I get them, it has everything to do with how skilled they have the potential to be, as a result of being a team player.

    And that remains constant in any MMO, and at any point during progress.
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    Striving for perfection is the path to one's downfall. 'Tis the paradox of the immaculate carrot. | Jah Bless. One God, One Aim, and One Destiny - Marcus Garvey.
    Until the philosophy which holds one race superior and another inferior is finally and permanently discredited and abandoned, everywhere is war - Ras Tafari.

  10. #100
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    A good player in FFXIV is someone willing to help where possible, be knowledgeable in mechanics & their classes and what they teach others. BUT they need to be willing to be taught new things or things forgotten and to not have arrogance. I also just started adding to my definition a good player cares about the community of the server.


    Sorry for any errors or brief replies I am on mobile.
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