Define a good player

[RiyahArp]

Fun is "you centered." Good is "other people centered." When you talk about good players, you are talking about what others do and focusing on them, and that is not healthy. I used Kaiva as an example because they did just that in the past and it was pretty painful. But I don't think focusing on good or bad in general is healthy for anyone; there are so many arguments and so much bad blood with others when we view them like this. I don't think discussing it really works in the end because it ends up with others bashing others "oh, everyone in DF is bad baddies," "no they are not you are just elitist" etc.

I don't really like the whole premise of the post, and that's why I reacted the way it did. Kaiva as an author heightened this a little, because it was still fresh in my mind from back then. I mean they work hard and clear savage, and their goals are self-mastery, why do you worry about others so much? How can what others think about what a person should do really help you on this?