Define a good player

[RiyahArp]

Just because you find that the concepts of a "good player" or "bad player" are dumb doesn't deny their existence or deny others from having certain standards and upholding those standards.

It's all about what other people do, though. Your example was like that. The whole thing is about what other people do or don't do. And if you tried to look at how to be good, you'd be following people's contradictory and sometimes unattainable ways of that. I think that's dumb for the reasons I give, and tends to lead to less fun because it's always chasing external validation. I didn't like seeing Kaiva despair over how other people defined good in that post a while back, and i'd rather people just focus on fun than good sometimes. Again if game mastery is legitimately fun for you, go for it. But if its more about what others do, its doomed to failure.

You want everyone to just ignore these factors and play the game and have fun, which I guess could be said that they are your standards, however, you're still not going to convince anyone here that we should just casually ignore these things in favor of "just have fun guys". A person can be bad and enjoy the game, great...that doesn't mean I have to enjoy them being bad in order to enjoy my playtime either..

That all goes out the window when it's you dying five times.

because, you know, everyone does that at some point. Did you think it was hilarious to lie on the floor when you screwed up that one mechanic? For me I think it was the puddles from the dun scaith plant boss. I couldn't actually see them at all the first time i did it, and ate every one. Got called out on it too. But I didn't think it was hilarious; if anything i was WTF. It took another run for me to see them, and then i did fine. The risk in having those standards is that you focus too much on others and how they injure you, and that's what i see when people talk about it. The person hates runs taking a long time or wiping; the other hates being called wrong or being kicked for failing. And, well, i'd rather not play a game where everyone is a potential hindrance, I guess.