Define a good player

[NewAgeDoom]

Summoner mains. Totally not biased. ^^

[ChaoticCrimson]

Summoner mains. Totally not biased. ^^

Well, we summoners are generally a cool lot, without bias :P

Anyway, while I do feel like "good" is a very subjective term, I'll just say I agree with the sentiment that anyone who is willing to learn and ask for help when needed, help others and give advice when they can, and just overall have a good attitude will probably go pretty far. Skill is a nice thing to develop, and one should always strive to do their best and improve, but it's far from the only thing a player should concern themselves with. Yeah, you can do well numbers-wise, but if you're chewing out your party members for little-to-no reason and/or not listening to them when they need you to do something, you're going to be causing a lot of problems.

[CainCrimson]

A good FFXIV player in my opinion:

1. They pay attention the the environment and the group equally. No "I'm the (insert role) and this is my world"
2. They are open to learn, whether a new player or a veteran player. everyone can improve and nothing is perfect.
3. They think outside the box, and don't simply min/max. There is more to playing this game than the popular YouTube methods deemed as "good".

[duvvvv]

I didn't read every reply yet, but are we defining the term objectively or subjectively? because if the former, obviously there are stats for that. the way OP was expressed it seems TS wants to know how to measure skill in FFXIV. if the latter, the rest of the replies seem to answer that. I'd like to contribute a subjective take on it as well. as a longtime MMO player, "good" in my experience has a connotation of not being the best, just above average. mostly a softcore player--spends enough time to be updated with gear, content, etc. but not part of the "first in the world" clique. maybe because they don't have a static, a lone hunter, the guild crafter etc.. could be a hardcore, but not part of the upper percentile with the rarest stuff skill and time can buy. good player =/= good person. they can be as elitist as they come, but unlike other arrogant know-it-alls, they have the skills to back it up. also, statistically the older gaming generation because science says competitive e-gaming peaks around the mid-20s (the best player age I guess) so if you're older than that, optimal APMs may not be as easy for you. that said I'm just in the decent/average category.

[Darric]

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I dunno if late 20's already counts as older gaming generation already, but i can pretty much see my type of player in the majority of your description above. I didn't think anyone could put it into words. Big thumbs up for accomplishing this and thanks.

[Veliena]

I have always loved this kind of question. Most players seem to think only the top 1% are "good"players. But honestly those are exceptional players. A good player is harder to define. Some will say its if their damage is good, other will say if they can do mechanics.
IMO, a good player understands their job, has a decent grasp on their combos/priorities with abilities, and can do mechanics. Good damage will come, for example, if you do the other.

[duvvvv]

I have always loved this kind of question. Most players seem to think only the top 1% are "good"players. But honestly those are exceptional players.

agree. kudos to TS for throwing this question out there for people to discuss.

I dunno if late 20's already counts as older gaming generation already, but i can pretty much see my type of player in the majority of your description above. I didn't think anyone could put it into words. Big thumbs up for accomplishing this and thanks.

not at all I think I've simply echoed what longtime MMO players already understand. as for the age, here are some references that also say why some pro-gamers retire at 26. it's not just the physical but also social factors that weigh in. a favorite Chinese animated series "The King's Avatar" touches on this as well.

[Sebazy]

I think I've simply echoed what longtime MMO players already understand. as for the age, here are references that also say why some pro-gamers retire at 26. it's not just the physical but also social factors that weigh in.

Depressingly, I can agree with this both in terms of reactions and social lingo. My own raid group is a bit of a retirement home for the most part, but half of the time when I cover and help other groups I'm pretty much sat there nodding and smiling without half a clue what they are going on about

[Zeonx]

Nobody.

Everyone is great in their own way after hard work and practice.

everyone messes up until they get the hang of things.

[MaloraYuki]

I guess my idea of a good player is a little strange. I think a good player is someone who is pleasant to group with and takes and gives advice. Someone who helps people improve and strives to improve themselves. Rather than just shitting on players and refusing to improve because “you don’t pay my sub”