Define a good player

[TinyRedLeaf]

Skill is something anyone can acquire with enough motivation and practice.

A good player — in the context of a social game in the MMORPG genre — is someone who respects other people's time, effort and feelings. Many would say that respect is a two-way street but, in truth, it begins with you. If you don't begin by showing respect, you'll get none in return.

Everything else follows.

If you respect someone else's time, you'll understand the need to make sure you're doing your best, learning the ropes, and practising to be a better player.

If you respect someone else's effort, you'll understand the need for encouragement, as well as the need for tact when giving advice.

If you respect someone else's feelings, you'll naturally watch your language, lest you offend others without intending to.

In a single-player game where all that matters if you, none of the above matters. A good player is then all about your skill in getting whatever you want out of the game.

But in a game like FFXIV, where interaction with other people is part of the game, your quality as a person, as a member of a community, matters more.

[Gemina]

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[NewAgeDoom]

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Well said.

[Gemina]

Well said.

Grrr! Totally didn't even mean to do that, and I can't edit from my mobile. *sigh*

[Avatre]

Depends on the context of the situation.

A good new player, to me, is someone who is open to suggestions/help with how to improve themselves.
A good veteran player is someone who is able to play their class effectively(not perfectly, but not hindering everyone), and not ignoring all mechanics because stuff is "faceroll" easy.
A good mentor is someone who can give advice when they know what they are talking about, admit when they aren't as familiar with something as they probably could be, and gives it their all when getting something they don't like via mentor roulette.

[Gemina]

Anywho, what I wanted to say was that "Good player" to me is a term that encompasses a fair number of positive traits that has nothing to do with the tier of content they've cleared. Good and bad players are found in all content.

Many also have higher expectations of themselves than the general community. No matter how good they do, they still strive to get better. Humility, without question is a virtue of a good player. But the best players aren't defeated by self doubt, and acknowledge that making mistakes and learning from them is all part of the process to playing the game at a high skill level.

I do hope the responses in this thread shifts his perspective a bit.

[Gemina]

Oh god. That last one didn't come out right either, and I'm bored at the dmv. OK, I'm just going to stop posting now.

*hides in a corner

[Odstarva]

A good mentor is someone who can give advice when they know what they are talking about, admit when they aren't as familiar with something as they probably could be, and gives it their all when getting something they don't like via mentor roulette.

However! Being a mentor shouldn't mean that you spew everything you know (or think you know) on anyone else not wearing a crown. Just because someone is knowledgeable in one thing or another doesn't mean the whole world is interested in their input.
I have seen a few mentors meaning well, but absolutely missing the mark when they explain away a whole fight that everyone already knows, or try to teach mechanics to someone who knows them but missed one by accident.

And, of course, there are also players that like going in blind and learning on their own.

In short, nobody likes a know-it-all.

[Avatre]

However! Being a mentor shouldn't mean that you spew everything you know (or think you know) on anyone else not wearing a crown. Just because someone is knowledgeable in one thing or another doesn't mean the whole world is interested in their input.
I have seen a few mentors meaning well, but absolutely missing the mark when they explain away a whole fight that everyone already knows, or try to teach mechanics to someone who knows them but missed one by accident.

And, of course, there are also players that like going in blind and learning on their own.

In short, nobody likes a know-it-all.

That's why I said can, and not does. I typically only give advice in a Mentor Roulette(only time my crown actually shows anyways) when I see a new player bonus, but not always. And it's always the bare minimum of "kill this ASAP to have less hassle, dodge AoEs as normal and just do what you need to do" - not always in those words, but that's the gist of it.

[Malkria]

My thoughts on what makes a good player does not much concern what they have cleared or not.
To me a good player is one who knows their job, and does not make major mistakes too often. A good player is always willing to learn and improve.
They do not start drama or throw shit on other players.

Someone who has the skills needed to clear the hardest content, but has a bad attitude towards other players, that is not a good player.

I agree with everything said here, and going to add my two cents. Not only should a player know their job, but if they do screw up they own up to it. We all make mistakes, but don't do something like blame the healer for having to make smaller pulls because you failed to pull above your weight class and the party wiped. The other thing is while players should be open to learning, don't be a jerk and shove your advice down another person's throat. Keep the level of content in mind, or in short don't freak out about someone's rotation when you are in a random roulette pug.