Define a good player

[Fhaerron]

Same as sport really.

A good player is somebody who can clear the minimum of 'challenging' content (savage raids).

A top player is somebody who can clear ultimate.

Example in sport: Nr 1 is the winner (top player). NR 2 and 3 are not winners but they are not bad (good players).

[Johaandr]

99 precentile

[Rhus]

A good player isn'a bad player I guess.
So they use their skills, know how their job works. Learns from mistakes by self teaching or from being "called out" and doesn't bail. Theyre willing to learn basically.
They don't make life difficult for others.
They might not necessary have the most optimum rotation going but they're tanking/healing/dpsing and we are killing enemies and clearing the dungeon without much hassle.
-Tank loses enmity? So what. Probably my fault as diversion was on cooldown and I forgot to pop Lucid. We still killed it and moved on with no hassle.
-Healer let DPS die as they were DPSing too? No biggie, just swiftraise and we carry on as we were. That's why those two skills are there after all and well done healer for DPSing too.
-DPS isn't hitting an optimum rotation but is still throwing AOE and using their arsenal and we are killing everything? Cool. So what if we spent 47 seconds more on that section between bosses because your rotation was wrong or you used X instead of Y then. I don't mind. I'm here to have fun and not stress over stuff like that.
I consider myself a good player but then I haven't touched a single savage nevermind ultimate fight. Does that mean I'm untested and subsequently an awful player? I doubt it.

[Tridus]

Here's the properties I expect out of a good player:

1. Able to correctly evaluate their own skill level. This is harder than it sounds, as shown by how many people think they're elite DPS until they run into someone with a parser. As someone who is nowhere near close to elite DPS, there's nothing wrong with that until you start acting like you're top dog and then need to be carried.
2. Carry their own weight for whatever content they're running. You're part of a team, at the end of the day, and good players don't tend to get carried (although we all have an off day sometimes). That means in levelling roulette you should be geared appropriately and active (looking at you, Shire tanks in Castrum Abania), in expert you should know your rotation and execute it reasonably, and if you show up in a savage two chest weekly clear party, then know what you're doing and be capable of savage level DPS.
3. Take feedback. If you can do #1 correctly, you should recognize when good advice is being offered. Listen to it, and evaluate it later. Don't get defensive, because usually people offering advice mean well.
4. Have situational awareness and put the group first. If four people including one of the healers just ate something and died, don't be the BLM that stands in stuff because "mah deeps!" A good player will realize that the one healer still standing is pretty busy and doesn't need someone making it worse by taking avoidable damage at a bad time.
5. Isn't a dick to the group. There's more than enough salt in alliance roulette already without adding more arguments, especially when people are already unhappy that the group managed to wipe in LotA. A good player will post a funny macro instead, or apologize if they caused the wipe (you'd be amazed how well that works), or even just keep quiet if they have nothing useful to add. Anything except adding more arguments. And for the love of everything holy, they won't be arguing with people in the middle of an encounter.
6. Use their kit appropriately. That means RDMs will Raise (or Cure if it's necessary because of a healer DC), healers will DPS when they can, tanks will use group defensive buffs like Divine Veil, etc.

You'll notice my list is pretty heavy on being a good team player, and very light on "must have cleared X with Y percentile". That's because "good" is relative. If the hardest content you ever want to run is expert, you do that competently, and you're fun to group with? Then you're good at what you're doing in my books.

Now if you're talking about who the top skilled players are? There's a website for that.

[kidalutz]

Tanks that mitigate... healers that add esuna to thier hotbars. dps that doesnt pull for tank.

But really honestly good players to me are the kind that accept when wipes happen, joke around about it but continue to try and follow what's going on and improve.


good players listen when somethings going on in the chat box and follow advice.

following the simple mechanics can get a com from me even if the players a dps.

[TinyRedLeaf]

Skill is something anyone can acquire with enough motivation and practice.

A good player — in the context of a social game in the MMORPG genre — is someone who respects other people's time, effort and feelings. Many would say that respect is a two-way street but, in truth, it begins with you. If you don't begin by showing respect, you'll get none in return.

Everything else follows.

If you respect someone else's time, you'll understand the need to make sure you're doing your best, learning the ropes, and practising to be a better player.

If you respect someone else's effort, you'll understand the need for encouragement, as well as the need for tact when giving advice.

If you respect someone else's feelings, you'll naturally watch your language, lest you offend others without intending to.

In a single-player game where all that matters if you, none of the above matters. A good player is then all about your skill in getting whatever you want out of the game.

But in a game like FFXIV, where interaction with other people is part of the game, your quality as a person, as a member of a community, matters more.

[Gemina]

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[NewAgeDoom]

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Well said.

[Gemina]

Well said.

Grrr! Totally didn't even mean to do that, and I can't edit from my mobile. *sigh*

[Avatre]

Depends on the context of the situation.

A good new player, to me, is someone who is open to suggestions/help with how to improve themselves.
A good veteran player is someone who is able to play their class effectively(not perfectly, but not hindering everyone), and not ignoring all mechanics because stuff is "faceroll" easy.
A good mentor is someone who can give advice when they know what they are talking about, admit when they aren't as familiar with something as they probably could be, and gives it their all when getting something they don't like via mentor roulette.