I refuse to run Castrum the way it is now

[Zeonx]

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except this isn't a movie not the same thing you aren't forced to listen to spoilers you are free to cover your ears or leave.

Unlike the cut scenes in the game.

plus only key cut scenes are cid and end cutscene the rest is basically like a intro of the beginning dungeon except in castrum its like every 100 steps lol

[Enla]

It's pretty much why most people I know are refusing to run it as well, myself included. Sadly however this change was the easiest bandaid they could apply to two very poorly designed dungeons without outright rehauling them entirely. There's never going to be an elegant solution that makes everyone happy, particularly with such old content that's unlikely to ever be worth fixing in the first place...

[Zeonx]

This is what they should of done.

Once the dungeon has been defeated pop up a question do you want to watch the cutscenes?

Yes / no

Then they wont miss out they can watch the mech come in and cid talk and all that stuff at very end without wasting anyone elses time.

[Emstidor]

except this isn't a movie not the same thing you aren't forced to listen to spoilers you are free to cover your ears or leave.

Unlike the cut scenes in the game.

plus only key cut scenes are cid and end cutscene the rest is basically like a intro of the beginning dungeon except in castrum its like every 100 steps lol

Congrats, it's people like you who pitched a fit about having to wait for people who had the audacity, the nerve, to not skip story in their story dungeon that led to the unskippable changes in the first place.

[Zeonx]

Congrats, it's people like you who pitched a fit about having to wait for people who had the audacity, the nerve, to not skip story in their story dungeon that led to the unskippable changes in the first place.

Actually it is your fault if you think about it, people like you came on here agreed with people who didn't skip the cutscenes cause your crowd was bigger voice which got them to add the option in first place.

while people like me who skipped and didn't worry about it wasn't on here asking for this option to begin with so think about what you are saying.
Cause if the people who didn't want the option spoke up I don't think the option would of been added in the first place.

it had to be asked for so don't put the blame on us when clearly you got what you asked for.
I think about a week ago someone was asking to put cutscene waits on the towers also go ahead go defend them to cause maybe you will get what you want from that also.

[Emstidor]

Haha yes, all those problematic newbies who selfishly posted on the official forums about how people ruined their first experience in Castrum/Prae by locking them out of the story and/or fights. I forget that they (as us who sympathized with them) are the real issue here.

Listen dude, I agree that the original implementation of these two dungeons was flawed and the devs obviously agreed, since they haven't implemented another cutscene-heavy dungeon, but that still doesn't give you carte blanche to shit on another person's first experience just because it's your thousandth time running the dungeon and you just want your tomes.

[Zeonx]

it's your thousandth time running the dungeon and you just want your tomes.

Again who says I run the dungeon anymore?

I agree with the cutscene thing was overboard for those who keep doing it all I am saying.

You can put blame on me all you want doesn't make it true and read what you are saying "that still doesn't give you carte blanche to **** on another person's first experience" <----- so what about the ones who are skipping the scenes doesn't give you the right to ruin theirs either in your eyes its a 1 way argument cut scenes or no cut scenes.

you can get angry all you want but its true.

nobody is ruining experience either want to know why?

If you were smart you'd look at it this way, they run the dungeon again later after watching cut scenes and fight the same battles over again oh guess they really didn't miss much did they.

so much for ruining their experience, they only hampered themselves if you ask me.

so huff and puff about it some more its a case of jumping the gun after first run.. theeeeeeeeeee end.

[ElHeggunte]

I always laugh when i see these threads.

People seem to think they a forced to run content.

So funny.

You're right. Veterans who've already done the content aren't forced to keep coming back to do it. But what about new and returning players? If it weren't for roulettes incentivizing veterans to come back and do old content for the umpteenth time those new and returning players would frequently be trapped in Progression Limbo™. It's the primary point of non-Expert Roulettes. One of the only reasons people even bothered with the MSQ roulette is because both dungeons could be cleared exceptionally fast if you skipped the lengthy cutscenes. By forcing cutscenes and bloating clear times, you've effectively removed the main reason 99% of players had to do those dungeons which only winds up hurting the 1% it was meant to help. Oops. We call that well-intentioned idiocy and crippling shortsightedness.

Did it suck for new players who had to choose between watching the cutscenes or doing the fights? Yeah, I guess. But they were still better off for it if the alternative meant being unable to do the dungeon at all.

[Emstidor]

Apologies to OP for the derail, I can tell neither of us is gonna convince the other so I'm gonna stop (but just to answer Zeon's question, if someone watching cutscenes for the first time ruins your tome run, you're the unreasonable one, not them. That's where I feel the situations are not equivalent)

I think everyone will generally agree with stronger incentives to run MSQ, and even taking the slight differences in length between the two into account part of that should be shoring up the difference in rewards between the two instances.

[Musashidon]

Did it suck for new players who had to choose between watching the cutscenes or doing the fights? Yeah, I guess. But they were still better off for it if the alternative meant being unable to do the dungeon at all.

just so everyone knows the change didn't happen because they had to choose this.

it's because people got kicked for watching them cutscenes at all. it was skip them or get kicked.

the problem is here because SE didn't pick a side and said its up to the party.