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    Tranquilmelody7's Avatar
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    I refuse to run Castrum the way it is now

    I didn't come to this decision because of the unskippable cut scenes.
    While I still disagree with SE's solution to players rushing the 8 player MSQ dungeons, I can tolerate them if the rest community wishes to as well.

    It's the roulette EXP bonus for Castrum in particular.
    While only 15 minutes shorter then Praetorium, the EXP is only around 55-60% of what you earn from the latter.

    Combine that with the terribly paced cutscenes(That can potentially be detrimental to the party's survival), and the far greater awareness required (While not especially difficult, wipes can definetly occur unlike in Prae), Castrum is quite dreadful to run.

    On a familiar note, almost all of toxic behavior I've witnessed since the MSQ change has occurred in Castrum as opposed to the Praetorium.
    It could of course merely be a coincidence, but perhaps I'm not the only who can currently handle Prae; yet hates Castrum?
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    I do find the 'watch CS, move 3 steps, get another CS' to be really grating on my nerves. I actually watch You Tube or Twitch during those times.

    I mainly do that roulette if I need more tomes, so it isn't something I do every day.
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    I did Praetorium for the first time yesterday since the cutscene change, and it irked me that it took roughly 55 minutes to complete. I definitely do not want to go in again.
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    I always laugh when i see these threads.

    People seem to think they a forced to run content.

    So funny.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NephthysVasudan View Post
    I always laugh when i see these threads.

    People seem to think they a forced to run content.

    So funny.
    Where does the OP say they’re being forced to run content? They’re expressing their concerns about the rewards of running MSQ Roulette, not the actual roulette. That’s a valid complaint, and just as important to bring up as anything else on this forum. Personally, I find the general ineptness to look past one’s own thoughts and opinions and have a broader perspective to be hilarious, so thanks for the laugh .

    OP: your reasons are why I have never did the new roulette after the changes. Square can’t pay me to run years old content that’ll take me an hour to complete.
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    Player NephthysVasudan's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by AkashiXI View Post
    Where does the OP say they’re being forced to run content? They’re expressing their concerns about the rewards of running MSQ Roulette, not the actual roulette. That’s a valid complaint, and just as important to bring up as anything else on this forum. Personally, I find the general ineptness to look past one’s own thoughts and opinions and have a broader perspective to be hilarious, so thanks for the laugh .

    OP: your reasons are why I have never did the new roulette after the changes. Square can’t pay me to run years old content that’ll take me an hour to complete.
    Making assumptions just shows how utterly inept you are..... (see what i did there?)
    That and the remark about it being negative (As far as the parties)...is wrong...been running it lately as I've had nothing but time on my hands...people generally are nice. It used to be bad...but now people generally are rather funny.

    So I stand on my case...if you don't like it..don't run it.
    Complaining about it...waste of time. You have to run it once...then you can walk away.
    This is not a "concern" - this is a bold faced complaint thread...just like all the rest. You can put lipstick on a pig all you want..its still a pig.
    Move along now....
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    Last edited by NephthysVasudan; 05-07-2018 at 08:07 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NephthysVasudan View Post
    Making assumptions just shows how utterly inept you are..... (see what i did there?)
    That and the remark about it being negative (As far as the parties)...is wrong...been running it lately as I've had nothing but time on my hands...people generally are nice. It used to be bad...but now people generally are rather funny.
    That I'll agree with you on, since both of your sample data are way too small for it to be absolute.
    Quote Originally Posted by NephthysVasudan
    So I stand on my case...if you don't like it..don't run it.
    Complaining about it...waste of time. You have to run it once...then you can walk away.
    This is not a "concern" - this is a bold faced complaint thread...just like all the rest. You can put lipstick on a pig all you want..its still a pig.
    Move along now....
    And that's where I disagree. You say they're complaining, I say they're leaving their opinion here for us to discuss. Just because it doesn't suit your agenda doesn't mean it's a waste of time, and I feel saying otherwise creates an idea that criticism must be positive on these forums.
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    Player NephthysVasudan's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by AkashiXI View Post
    That I'll agree with you on, since both of your sample data are way too small for it to be absolute.


    And that's where I disagree. You say they're complaining, I say they're leaving their opinion here for us to discuss. Just because it doesn't suit your agenda doesn't mean it's a waste of time, and I feel saying otherwise creates an idea that criticism must be positive on these forums.
    Yes...an opinion that required a new thread for something that's already been discussed ad nausea is always a good idea.
    Good thing its just an opinion.

    Keep on making those assumptions....
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    Quote Originally Posted by NephthysVasudan View Post
    I always laugh when i see these threads.

    People seem to think they a forced to run content.

    So funny.
    You're right. Veterans who've already done the content aren't forced to keep coming back to do it. But what about new and returning players? If it weren't for roulettes incentivizing veterans to come back and do old content for the umpteenth time those new and returning players would frequently be trapped in Progression Limbo™. It's the primary point of non-Expert Roulettes. One of the only reasons people even bothered with the MSQ roulette is because both dungeons could be cleared exceptionally fast if you skipped the lengthy cutscenes. By forcing cutscenes and bloating clear times, you've effectively removed the main reason 99% of players had to do those dungeons which only winds up hurting the 1% it was meant to help. Oops. We call that well-intentioned idiocy and crippling shortsightedness.

    Did it suck for new players who had to choose between watching the cutscenes or doing the fights? Yeah, I guess. But they were still better off for it if the alternative meant being unable to do the dungeon at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ElHeggunte View Post
    Did it suck for new players who had to choose between watching the cutscenes or doing the fights? Yeah, I guess. But they were still better off for it if the alternative meant being unable to do the dungeon at all.
    just so everyone knows the change didn't happen because they had to choose this.

    it's because people got kicked for watching them cutscenes at all. it was skip them or get kicked.

    the problem is here because SE didn't pick a side and said its up to the party.
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