MCH and Monk - Why is underplayed?

[Neela]

Maybe it's BECAUSE of all that extra crap you have to do. I've seen others write about how BRD is way more fun, but it's so god damned boring for me. I guess people care more about pretty numbers than actually doing something.

most probably this... goal is max. output with min. afford. thats why mchs nowadays are "called" clunky like smn with 4.0 and their aether stacks. for most of the playerbase its not worth to take a hand on a critical/punishing cls at all - glad u enjoy mch for that exact reason instead *thumbsup* : )

[HyoMinPark]

For me, I just don’t like the gameplay of either MNK or MCH. I’m not that fond of melee jobs, so MNK doens’t appeal to me for that reason. MCH, I tried in HW, I didn’t like the rotation/gameplay, and when I leveled it to 70 in SB, I hated the gameplay even more. Gauss Barrell is clunky, and annoying to reapply after you overheat and cool down; it should honestly just be a trait. And I have high enough ping to where I can’t effectively do a strong Wildfire compared to someone with lower ping. Plus, the gameplay of press-every-button-that-I-can-in-the-span-of-10-seconds doesn’t appeal to me either.

Maybe it's BECAUSE of all that extra crap you have to do. I've seen others write about how BRD is way more fun, but it's so god damned boring for me. I guess people care more about pretty numbers than actually doing something.

You say that.... but BRD has some of the lowest personal DPS among the DPS jobs (though it’s rDPS contribution is very high). Especially if they don’t have a DRG in the party. So I’m not sure where you got the impression they were strong. MCH bypasses them in personal DPS. I also wouldn’t insinuate that there’s nothing to do at max level on BRD. I spend plenty of time being active on it. /shrug

[Wayfinder3]

You say that.... but BRD has some of the lowest personal DPS among the DPS jobs (though it’s rDPS contribution is very high). Especially if they don’t have a DRG in the party. So I’m not sure where you got the impression they were strong. MCH bypasses them in personal DPS. I also wouldn’t insinuate that there’s nothing to do at max level on BRD. I spend plenty of time being active on it. /shrug

I think he means, BRD helps other jobs get pretty numbers and thats why people like it.

[HyoMinPark]

I think he means, BRD helps other jobs get pretty numbers and thats why people like it.

If that’s the case, then fair enough. BRD’s combined raid DPS utility (Foe’s, Passive Crit Buff, and BV) do outshine MCH’s only raid DPS utility Hypercharge.

[Rufalus]

Agreed with everyone else. Mch since 4.0 is too hard and clunky to use compared to alternatives. The way wildfire works puts a lot of pressure on getting timing and rotation exactly right in a tight window and it became harder to do that when overheating was added so there's one more thing to perfectly align. Can play any other job and not have usability problems.


Monk is almost great but has competition from jobs that synergise better in a party or have more enjoyable new skills. I'm not a hardcore raider so I don't care much about party synergy and utility that nin/drg bring, but on a fun factor I think samurai is maybe a little bit ahead for casual content.

[Exiled_Tonberry]

Monk is my go-to melee if I'm not healing, and honestly it just feels outdated. It hasn't had any significant changes to it's rotation since ARR, and it keeps getting these rather gimmicky mechanics that a lot of people don't want to bother with.

Not to mention keeping their buffs up can be hell if you're not used to it. The amount of times you could easily lose GL in fights like Tsukuyomi, O7 and 8 savage. No one wants to deal with this when every other melee buffs are either static, or so easy to keep up it's not a big deal.

[Wayfinder3]

MCH is underplayed because brd is considered to be better for the raid and because SE dropped the ball on both of it's implementations. It was awful upon first release. It was only really good by the end of HW before it was bad again at the start of SB

MNK probably has a couple issues, the first is that it hasn't changed much since 2.0 so fatigue, 2nd DRG/NIN are meta for most of the games recent life, and the 3rd is that delete mnk meme at the end of HW/ early SB (before everybody got buffed and the baton was passed to SAM) existed