DPS Balance Thread

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Doesn't Disembowel also buff the DRG?
If so, the 300 DPS gain would be for 2 and for 3 it would only be around 450.
Or is my math wrong???

The raid calculator only appears to calculate damage you provide the raid, thus Piercing is exclusively accounting for BRD/MCH since DRG buffing itself is considered personal DPS. This is why Slashing never shows since Ninja and Warrior provide it, which buffs themselves. Sure, Paladin and Dark Knight are benefited, but the calculator can't allocate Slashing to one specific job when upwards of three provide it. So they just exclude Slashing.

[Legion88]

Ohh my bad I misunderstood you. No, the 300 lost DPS is per ranged physical class. DRG gives ~300 with the inclusion of MCH or BRD, and ~600 with the inclusion of both.

I see now how you are calculating.
You take 5% from 6k pDPS of a Ranged.

The raid calculator only appears to calculate damage you provide the raid, thus Piercing is exclusively accounting for BRD/MCH since DRG buffing itself is considered personal DPS. This is why Slashing never shows since Ninja and Warrior provide it, which buffs themselves. Sure, Paladin and Dark Knight are benefited, but the calculator can't allocate Slashing to one specific job when upwards of three provide it. So they just exclude Slashing.

Oh, there is a tool for this. I never found it.

To the Disembowel "problem":
If you consider piercing down is a 100% uptime debuff it is really strong and focused, what leads to the Ranged META. I think schould be nerfed or removed.
For example the BRD Songs are also 100% uptime but only a 2% crit rate and maybe the same in DPS.
The other 100% uptime debuffs/buffs are slashing and blunt, while every gainer also can apply it himself and the application is always tied into the rotation anyway and the gain is most likely already in the calculation for their pDPS from the beginning, so you can neglect this as real raid buffs and view them more like selfbuffs. Yeah DRK and PLD can't apply it themself, but i think they wont went in a comp without NIN, WAR or SAM.

With lowering the effectiveness of Disembowel down to 2 - 3% and rescaling DRG/BRD/MCH to the same pDPS like now and done.
Or maybe remove piercing down completely from Disembowel and merge it with Heavy Thrust and rescale DRG/BRD/MCH to the same pDPS like now and done.

I also think that all this "weapon type resistance down" should be removed (or just merged to "physical resistance down"), this could also break Disembowel for Ranged.

[DaulBan]

I won't speak on the TA vs Disembowel thing because in part it's been talked to death over the last few pages, but also because it doesn't really matter for the purposes of the 'bad' jobs in the game. Removing TA or removing Disembowel doesn't suddenly make RDM/SAM/BLM better it just makes the top tier jobs worse, which might help the second tier jobs slide into more comps for specific fights depending on what's needed but the jobs that need it the most don't see their stock rise at all.

tl;dr, if you accept an ABC tier ranking, or at least acknowledge there's a strata like it, changing A doesn't help C. It only helps B. You need to make changes to how those C tier jobs work to make them more appealing. Sure top end balance might be something people are interested in but it's pretty minor compared to how bad some of the other DPS jobs are.

[Remedi]

I believe piercing just needs to be removed all together and buff the physical range guy a little bit so that they arnt gimped without it, TA needs to be nerfed and then buff NIN personal dps, they had to nerf those AST cards becuase they were OP it's time to look at the meta comp dps if they ever plan on giving any other dps a chance becuase even if they make new ones if they don't fit the meta they will just sit on the bench with the rest..

They said they balance ranged dps without disembowel beign a factor, which means that if they remove it they won't get any compensation only DRG will

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Oh, there is a tool for this. I never found it.

To the Disembowel "problem"...

Here you go

Either scenario would be a step in the right direction. Even setting aside balance, it simply feels awful knowing your damage is effectively gimped should someone opt to play Monk or Samurai. For that reason alone, I lean more towards getting rid of all damage based debuffs (Slashing, Piercing, Blunt ) entirely. Dragoon would need adjustments to either Litany or its personal DPS to compensate, however I think it'd be better overall.

[Legion88]

Here you go

Thank you.
I hope i can use this for the static i help with analyzing their Logs and replays.

[Aomine1992]

They said they balance ranged dps without disembowel beign a factor, which means that if they remove it they won't get any compensation only DRG will

True hmmm I think SE just has alot of balancing issues lol or maybe the community just has a bad outlook of non contributing jobs, might need to eventually change that outlook...I think I will use DRK as my strawman for balancing examples lol jk disregard

[Remedi]

Well balancing issues to a certain extent, nothing in the game is really terrible at what it does, there are simply better options yes, but most of the time what really makes a difference is the player before the jobs starts getting in the way.

[Shiroe]

FFlogs should show all dps (optional?) like Ifrit radiant shield.

Like the extra crit damage from Drg Battle Litany from each party member should be added to the Drg personal dps on FFlogs (and not to the other players personal dps).

Same for Ast balances too, the extra damage from balaces should be shown as Ast's personal damage.

Same for all buffs. Maybe even calculate it for debuffs, if not too complicated.

.. or atleast let there be an "option" too see such damags, ... in that case Drg would probably turn up "top dps" (especially if it could calculate the "debuff" too, and not just buffs. Even if the damage from the buffs & debuffs would be dependent on how the others play (like their uptime when getting buff from BL..)

sure, some issues might occure (do speed buffs also get the same treatment, if calculatable at all? And buffs being added over buffs might be tricky to calculate too, lime BL + Balance + Embolden at the same time)

...

if fflogs dps where show like that, pfs would not be fixated on increasing their personal dps with help from other "buff classes"

or maybe classes like Drg would get more attention, since they are OP and maybe get a slight nerf or Sam a buff...

(but imo Drg has become one imo the hardest melee if not dps to optimise at 70, might just be fair to let it be desired if its hard to mastr??.. imo Drg was once the easiest and mnk the hardest melee, they fully switched positions in SB)

[Sunako]

FFlogs should show all dps (optional?) like Ifrit radiant shield

Well we have another site for that.

https://xivrdps.herokuapp.com/