Increasing difficulty in casual content ≠ Savage

[Duskane]

I think there should be Harder alternative to Dungeons game need harder 4 man content
the dungeons loot could be equal to Savage
but no need to make the overall content harder

[KaivaC]

I think there should be Harder alternative to Dungeons game need harder 4 man content
the dungeons loot could be equal to Savage
but no need to make the overall content harder

Agreed about the harder dungeons - not so much with the suggestion about loot equaling Savage gear. That would essentially negate the need to even do Savage except for getting the initial clear and maybe speed runs. Not to mention, Hell's Lid and Fractal Continuum don't even reach Rabanastre's gear level, let alone Deltascape Savage.

[Duskane]

Agreed about the harder dungeons - not so much with the suggestion about loot equaling Savage gear. That would essentially negate the need to even do Savage except for getting the initial clear and maybe speed runs. Not to mention, Hell's Lid and Fractal Continuum don't even reach Rabanastre's gear level, let alone Deltascape Savage.

they would just space it out from savage patches later and if there ever was extreme dungeons it be loot system like Coils just full RNG drops no books or anything and no weapons so there will always be a point to savage

[KaivaC]

they would just space it out from savage patches later and if there ever was extreme dungeons it be loot system like Coils just full RNG drops no books or anything and no weapons so there will always be a point to savage

That would make Savage gear almost useless if a dungeon could catch up to it within a patch cycle. While I don't like how high the disparity is between the current 325 and 370 (since Deltascape is sitting at 340), I do agree that the Savage gear needs to stay above what the casual player base is able to attain for a while. I'm fine with the 1st tier of Savage gear staying ahead of casual players with 2-3 patch cycles, because it means that players have to earn that gear. Having a pure RNG system with no books feels like a step backwards. I feel it would cause more issues with the raiding community than anything, much similarly to how All Greed system of 24-mans are not exactly getting a positive response.