Forum etiquette - double-posting vs separating ideas?

[KaivaC]

Proud next-day digger upper, here!

Also, the side argument going on... /smdh. Don't you people have anything better to do? It's RuPaul night for hunty's sake. Go watch that for your bitter bickering fix. The Vixen was dialed up to high tonight.

You know I don't like to leave arguments unfinished. I have to live up to my deluded narcissist title after all :P

[KaivaC]

My Self-fullfilling Prophecy bingo card is almost filled out. What about yours? :P

A "self-fulfilling prophecy" that's really just bait. *thumbs up*

[Alleo]

It's equal to saying "what you said meant nothing, thus you're an idiot"

I am not going to comment much about your comment on western people having big egos, because others have already posted about this. But I wanted to ask how is snipping posts makes it feel like the other is seen as an idiot or that their view means nothing? I mean I dont quote someone that I feel that had nothing to say. Mostly I quote those that I want to discuss with thus they have piped my interest in some way. It might not always be in a good way but I would never see that person as an idiot and I would also never feel like the other person looks down on me when they snip my post. You can see it that way and its fine but its a bit of an surprising view.

On topic: There are forums where you will have mods that put out a warning if you double post. So thanks to that I mostly keep it in one post if barely anyone has posted since then. If others already posted I will often just start a new one. Because if the topic is going on (maybe even to a new page) then the new argument might be overseen, also it could get a bit too big. But if there is maybe just a handful of new posts and still on the same page I might edit it.

[Dualgunner]

Having to move up and down the discussion to follow the context of quotes doesn't seem like the best solution to me. It's a backup option if the responder has deleted the quote text, or in a long thread where the context may be a long way back - but it makes for a much easier 'flow' of reading down the page if you've got the text (or a summary of it) there to keep track of the conversation, or which of several conversations your post is adding to.

Issue now is you're arguing how you personally want the forums to read. As an avid mobile user, myself, who devours threads at a time, I prefer it more if I'm not suddenly hitting deja vu and completely rereading a post I've already read, and prefer the "To Post" button to refresh myself on context if needed.

[Rogatum]

snip

That seems overly complicated for those of that use a mobile device, especially when the quote has a button following the OP's name that will take them to the original post. Sure someone could say I am being lazy, but if someone did say that I would say the same since clicking the blue button is just one step, while the method you mentioned has multiple steps.

[KisaiTenshi]

But I wanted to ask how is snipping posts makes it feel like the other is seen as an idiot or that their view means nothing? I mean I dont quote someone that I feel that had nothing to say.

That seems overly complicated for those of that use a mobile device, especially when the quote has a button following the OP's name that will take them to the original post. Sure someone could say I am being lazy, but if someone did say that I would say the same since clicking the blue button is just one step, while the method you mentioned has multiple steps.

There's a difference between this:

*snip*

Where it removes the context and the ability to follow the thread

and

*snip*

Where the latter has removed the context to two different replies, but you can still follow the thread. So it doesn't look like you are responding to that user, but rather trying to shut them up. If you can not provide the context from which you are responding, then don't be upset when that user thinks you're being rude.

Personally I prefer this method, even for mobile:
1) Hit Reply with Quote, copy that to the clipboard.
2) Paste that to the device's notepad
3) Do whatever you want to do with it there, write a response. Don't trim the quoted part if you can't get the phone to select the right part, just delete the parts after it and rewrite the end quote tag. Copy this to the clipboard
4) Go back to the tab that the reply is in, 10char it
5) Quickly edit the post again and paste.

This is how I'd prefer mobile users edit things, but whatever, I know Android phones are rubbish...

That has NEVER been the case in the English forums at all, in any shape.

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Just delete everything after the point you want to reply to, and put a newline and "..." to indicate there is more you are responding to, you don't need to post the entire thing, but if you don't have the context, and that person has responded multiple times in the thread, there is no way to follow it, even if you follow the link because users will still not know which thing you're replying to. It looks lazy and rude.

On the desktop I skip steps 2-3 because I just copy the post, 10char it by deleting everything but the first or last line, then edit again and paste it. Once in a while I accidentally hit copy instead of paste and destroy the post, which is why I usually save long posts in notepad.

More to the point, following a quoted link may send people to other threads, stale ones, and that results in necroposting as well.

[Tridus]

My Self-fullfilling Prophecy bingo card is almost filled out. What about yours? :P

This was a highly insightful comment and not at all someone posting just to be seen, right?

[KaivaC]

snip

No.

There. No arguments. No debate. Just a simple no to this.

[Rogatum]

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How often does that happen though? Only time I ever seen the removal of the forward button is when the quote is broken up, and even so usually the first bracketed quote has the forward button. Personally just seems like you are complaining for the sake of complaining at this point. I mean to me it seems like a perception issue, and if you think snip is a personal attack towards you as you mentioned before "please put a pin in your ego."

Sure the followed link may not always work or lead the person to the right thread, but as it stands I doubt that is such an overreaching issue that warrants the statement that a snip text is the equivalent being rude.

Edit: Also tried your method to edit on mobile, and yeah I could not see myself doing that for every post I make.

[KisaiTenshi]

Edit: Also tried your method to edit on mobile, and yeah I could not see myself doing that for every post I make.

It's easy to do on the iPhone/iPad as long as the website doesn't have ads on it. THIS site has the Google Analytics tracker on it, and it breaks, a lot, on mobile, Thank you 2011 jQuery.

Personally, I think the VBulletin mobile experience is awful, because it looks like this:




No WYSIWYG editor at all, so you can't paste links or images in it either.