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    Player MoroMurasaki's Avatar
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    Moro Murasaki
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    Zalera
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    Red Mage Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Lium View Post
    I used LB once on my main (the job I'm posting on). It was in Castrum Abania, the part when you're on that narrow walkway and a bunch of adds come out on all sides. I figured now might be a good time to try it, and I actually asked the group before you using it. They said go for it. I clicked it and...

    It did like no damage. Seriously. My own AoEs were stronger, and RDMs aren't known for strong AoE. Now at 70, I don't even bother. I just let melee or the healer use it.
    This isn't mathematically true. A caster LB1 is a 1.4k potency AoE.

    In an absolute best-case scenario a RDM could hope to get off 1.2k potency spread over a bit more time using Scatter at full Mana and proccing enhanced Scatter/Dualcast(100) E.Moulinet×2(500) E.Scatter (600) Manafaction, E.Moulinet×3 (1.2k).

    If you pop Embo after the first Scatter you'll have the first 2 E.Moulinets and E.Scatter buffed 10% (500×1.1=550) and the subsequent 3 E.Moulinets buffed 8% (600×1.08=648) so you end at a grand total of basically 1.3k potency over the course of 7GCDs. Add in Contre Sixte and on some of the enemies that are hit with the higher potencies of the attack you technically come out ahead of a caster LB1 but at the cost of gimping your ST in upcoming fights because you just burned all your Mana and CDs.

    This is more time-consuming than Caster LB1, consumes more resources, has an adverse effect on upcoming damage you can put out and requires a perfect setup (beginning with full mana bars, getting the enhanced Scatter proc off of the first Scatter) which just isn't available all the time. Not to mention you need Embo and Manafaction off CD for it to even approach Caster LB1 damage.

    tl;dr - just caster LB a large pack like that if you can. It's faster, easier and all around more efficent/accessible.
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    KaldeaSahaline's Avatar
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    Kaldea Sahaline
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    Quote Originally Posted by NewAgeDoom View Post
    The thing I've come to despise when playing Ninja, is going to all the trouble of setting up a perfect Shadow Fang/TA LB to finish off the boss, only to have it taken by the ranged DPS, or worse, a tank or healer.
    Shadow Fang's slashing bonus and TA have 0 impact on the damage a LB does. LB's damage calculation is a measure of average weapon ilvl of the party. Nothing external or internal impacts it, not even weakness.
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    Doom Moonwalker
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    Black Mage Lv 61
    Quote Originally Posted by KaldeaSahaline View Post
    Shadow Fang's slashing bonus and TA have 0 impact on the damage a LB does. LB's damage calculation is a measure of average weapon ilvl of the party. Nothing external or internal impacts it, not even weakness.
    That's showing my newness then. I apologize. Doesn't help it was still a physical ranged LB on a single target
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    KaldeaSahaline's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by NewAgeDoom View Post
    That's showing my newness then. I apologize. Doesn't help it was still a physical ranged LB on a single target
    All good - I just like to make sure there's no misinformation out there.

    I actually forgot to mention there are some external factors that increase LB damage. I beleive Ravana's red phase does this, and there may be others, but that's the only example that comes to mind. However, the original statement, no player made external/internal effect changes LB damage.
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    Last edited by KaldeaSahaline; 05-03-2018 at 11:34 PM.