Is limit break not a thing?

[KaivaC]

Ok, pls stop posting. You're lowing the intelligence of the whole community with this bull shit. In almost every fight melee LB3 is optimal, sure heal LB3 can save a fight but you shouldn't ever be saving a full LB bar for that.

Let's not turn this into an insult-fest, ya? Having a pretty good discussion thus far (still a bit surprised that this turned into a discussion)

If they arent paying attention to and anticipating limit break, odds are they also arent coming anywhere close to maximizing their dps potential anyways. /shrug it is what it is and no its not a new thing. Everyone starts somewhere, learns at their own pace and blah blah lol. You can be a jerk about it, or try to teach every person you come across. Or do what most people do and accept that queuing with randoms is a mixed bag and just silently take it in stride. Or if it bothers you that much find some like minded people and stop queuing with randoms. They added the ability to do roulettes as a group some time ago.

Oh, I wasn't implying that I had any sort of issue with it, it was just an observation that I noted when I was doing leveling. LB1s and 2s usually don't save fights in leveling. I just had a curiosity. I wasn't sure what others' experiences were with limit breaks.

[Sinh119]

Ok, pls stop posting. You're lowing the intelligence of the whole community with this bull shit. In almost every fight melee LB3 is optimal, sure heal LB3 can save a fight but you shouldn't ever be saving a full LB bar for that.

Wow, thought I was in the WoW forums for a second. Anyways, if you're progressing on a fight, saving LB3 to see more of the fight is pretty much the smartest use of LB. While it's "optimal" in a vague sense to use melee LB3 in a single target boss, during any type of progression it's almost never practical to pop LB3 randomly. Furthermore, in Shinryu or Shinryu EX, it's suboptimal to use melee LB3 on the boss. It is far more effective to use it on the adds if your DPS tanked the floor a bunch and you think you'll die to protostar, or to use it on his wings at the end of the fight in Shinryu EX. It's also disingenuous to say that in "almost every fight" melee LB3 is optimal, since the majority of fights in the game are trash mobs, and if you have the ability to LB at all, it's more effective to use caster or ranged LB during those fights.

[lilithvincent]

It's also disingenuous to say that in "almost every fight" melee LB3 is optimal, since the majority of fights in the game are trash mobs.

what endgame fights are trash mobs?

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Yes. It probably is better just to use caster LB during his add phase. The thing about a melee LB is that it's virtually never USEFUL; all it does is kill the boss very slightly faster, and with shinryu's huge HP, it kills him barely any faster. A healer LB3 though generally is far more useful as it will save a lot of time if used effectively by preventing a wipe, and a caster LB can be used to shorten an add phase. Tank LBs have very specific and rare uses, in which you HAVE to use them to survive. But melee LB can usually be ignored because if you are doing it ok, it's just a bonus of ten seconds in a run.

By the time most people use melee lb, they could just keep on doing what they are doing and the boss ends up dead anyways. It actually gets less useful the higher your dps is, and really only is vital in PvP imo.

When the entire purpose of a fight is reducing the boss' HP to zero, every little bit helps. Do you need LB3? No. But you shouldn't need LB period. Outside prog, people shouldn't be making enough mistakes to warrant healer LB3. And caster LB3 is only useful in add heavy fights. Why is it useful? Because it kills the add faster, you know, sort of like what melee LB3 does.

For Shinryu specifically, you won't have it in normal and it's a complete waste during the add phase in EX. The LB will do more than the trash has HP, thus melee LBing Shinryu is better as skipping Aerial Blast and Dive means you don't have to deal with those mechanics. Caster LB3 is better at the end, but you'll have two regardless.

[duvvvv]

@topic
I hardly see it in lowbie dungeons unless I do it as DPS. I see it used a lot in alliance raids though. for end-game content, not sure.
I've experienced several times when I'm melee or healer and LB is needed that the caster DPS probably doesn't have the command ready when told to LB (like at Bardam's last boss).
as healer I've only used LB3 once and I honestly didn't think of using it until I read party chat (it was in Dun Scaith).
I could only assume many players had leveled up never needing to use LB themselves or if they tried the other DPS was faster, so they never bothered (and in case of healer, personally I was lucky enough to encounter very few instances that needed it)

[KaivaC]

Oh wow...I was not expecting this to go on beyond a first page. I don't think it's a big deal using LBs in normal leveling content, but I was curious because I know when I first started, a good chunk of my runs, LBs were asked from DPS, usually on the last boss. But I wasn't sure if the game itself mentioned it, so thanks for those answers.

PS: one of these days we need to meet up in crossworld. <3

Oh, I'm roaming around here and there. I don't bite. More often than not, I'm usually on discord before and after I log FFXIV. If you use it, my username is Kaiva#6875

It wasn't, you raise a good point, they should perhaps add a tutorial about LBs since I think they drop you about your existence when you enter the first dungeon and that's it

I would like that. It would be pretty nice, but I could've sworn there's been mentions that Yoshi all but stated system limitations are in the way.

[Ash_]

I remember I used to always trigger tank LB by accident when I went to reach for something else. Then I moved it out of the way and the dps never use it anyway :|

Never mind those times when your on PS4 fumbling through auto-translate to tell a JP healer to use LB3 cause everyone is dead :L

[Remedi]

I think there shouldn't be limitations considering they can create a mock-up party with the squadron now, they could go back and make the novice hall a bit better by using that system as a base.
Maybe use it to graeter lenght as a novice hall update who knows

[Derio]

Yea I put my LB on HB 8 just so all of my jobs have LB option and so I dont accidentally click on it. It is annoying and I wish it came slotted as default when you first start the game like sprint.

[Deceptus]

Which is why I kinda liked Ungarmax. I used it once just to see what it would do and as a healer, it actually made me feel like I could contribute a limit break in a dungeon. Because tanks and heals never get to use theirs in dungeons.