wow... rested experience just wow...

[Felis]

I will welcome anything BUT rested exp, you know, an exp ring (AVAILABLE FOR EVERYONE) ya know.

Hmm, exp ring
An exp ring (U/U so we can only wear one) with an amount of 15k exp full charged. With every exp we gain we get a 20% bonus from the 15k. To full recharge the ring we need to log out in our Inn room for 16 hours. People who complain that they need to give up 1 from 2 ring slots for the bonus exp should shut up.
Do you mean something like this?

[Kailea_Nagisa]

Exactly. There's no good point as to why it's even necessary. Just as there was no good reason for the fatigue system. Here's another real-life scenario for you: Person A works for his money and is paid well. Person B lives on welfare because they either cannot find work or would rather live off the government, sucking away at person A's efforts.

Congratulations on your graduation, btw.

except that this is nothing like that, nothing is being taken from person A. The rested EXP is not hurting or being unfair to the "normal players" all it does is give a slight boost to the people that don't get to play as much.

[Colino]

except that this is nothing like that, nothing is being taken from person A. The rested EXP is not hurting or being unfair to the "normal players" all it does is give a slight boost to the people that don't get to play as much.

Not only that, but I honestly think we should all wait and see exactly how long it takes to get rested exp! No one said you need to stay logged out for a day or more... For all we know it could be something like 8-10 hours. If you really can't stay away from the game that long... You probably couldn't care less about having rested EXP anyway.

[Ashthra]

Exactly. There's no good point as to why it's even necessary. Just as there was no good reason for the fatigue system. Here's another real-life scenario for you: Person A works for his money and is paid well. Person B lives on welfare because they either cannot find work or would rather live off the government, sucking away at person A's efforts.

Ahh, I was waiting for the 'lulzwelfarez' scenario to come up. At this point, claiming anything in MMOs to be welfare is damn near synonymous with comparing something to Hitler -- you've pretty much lost whatever argument you've had. But okay, let's talk welfare, in an all-too common real world scenario:

Person A "works" for a living? No. Person A shows up to collect a paycheck, screws up/over everyone they work with, but is sly enough to say all the right things while the boss is looking. Person A also happens to know someone from HR, so no matter what the other employees may say to said boss about Person A being a total douchenozzle, these remarks are summarily ignored because Person A is lucky enough to know the right people (LSmates PLing to 50 lol) and lucky enough to have found themselves in a good position (CNJ/GLD/ARC/THM lol).

Person B, meanwhile, got laid off after 16 years on the job because of "cost cutting measures", and is forced to go onto welfare because nobody wants to hire someone over 40-45 anymore, especially someone that's more experienced than everyone else combined, and has a resume that would put most to shame. Person B would be happy to make a fraction of what Person A makes, but can't even so far as a face-to-face interview. Why? Because Person A doesn't like competition.

Person A hears that a tiny portion of their salary (that would be taken out regardless of where it actually went, mind you) goes to Person B and decides to petition the government to remove welfare altogether, forcing this man into complete and utter destitution, because they don't like their money going to some filthy lazy bum that doesn't have a job. I mean, it's not like the money taken out of their paycheck is going to be enough to cover Person B's bills, right? So why bother taking it out at all?

In case you haven't figured it out, Person A has their head shoved too far up their own ass to see anything other than their own personal shit, and because of that, they assume that anything outside of their own personal bubble doesn't exist and, therefore, must be a lie. Person B isn't a bad person because they're living in non-ideal circumstances and is having difficulty getting any kind of leg up because of faulty misconceptions perpetuated by Person A and their retarded ilk.

But that's too complex, isn't it? After all, we know that everyone who has a job is perfect, and everyone who doesn't just isn't trying hard enough, amirite? Just like we know that everyone who has a 50 in FFXIV is pro, and everyone who doesn't is a scrub, and like we know that everyone who has time to be hardcore is a no-lifing neckbeard, and everyone who doesn't is a flighty casual that can't be assed to bother trying.

Right? Right? Amirite?? Right??

Sweeping generalizations and talking about things you have no basic grasp of is fun and exciting! No wonder you're doing it so much.

There is no prestige in hitting level cap in this or any other MMO since WoW has come out. You're not suddenly going to have to share your precious little spotlight with Johnny Scrub anymore than you did in the days of surplus, because the people who benefit most from a change like this aren't on often enough to devalue your gameplay. This idiotic insinuation that your life suddenly has less meaning because people who actually bother to log out may receive a perk (that you, too, could get if you bothered to do the same, incidentally) is quite possibly one of the most asinine things I've ever had the exasperation of reading.

Congratulations on your graduation, btw.

P.S. - It's sickening just how many people I've met while in the workforce that are like Person A at all levels of responsibility, and how many people like Person B are treated like absolute garbage because they have the temerity to ask for help when those in Person A's camp don't hesitate to leech off of others at every available opportunity. But I'll shut up before I further digress.

[Rannie]

Actually Ashthra Welfare is a broken system. People take advantage of it. ... Just wanted to point that out

Also if person b had been on welfare for 16 years that's too damn long that makes me think either person b was

a: not really giving two flying f****** about finding a new job
b: well b really coincides with a

[Xoo]

What a long-winded, well-spoken, idiotic response. Do you happen to be female? It seems you have a penchant for unnecessarily complicating things. Hmmm.

[BruceyBruceyBangBang]

Actually Ashthra Welfare is a broken system. People take advantage of it. ... Just wanted to point that out

Also if person b had been on welfare for 16 years that's too damn long that makes me think either person b was

a: not really giving two flying f****** about finding a new job
b: well b really coincides with a

How did it come to this "listen to my ignorant opinion" thread? My family and myself were hit by examples given in this thread and we were on government support for 6 months and got out of it taking crappy jobs and just recently got back into our original fields with another job. Not everyone abuses systems. That's why you shouldn't halt them over just a few bad seeds that say and do exactly what it takes to stay on a support system.

There are several complicated situations that are personal and embarrassing to some people where they don't want to mention they are on support and would just like to work like everyone else. This is probably why you hear more people speaking aloud about their support because they have no shame in it and actually use it in the wrong way.

Generalizing these kinds of people will get you in trouble though. It makes you look incredibly ignorant. Which you've already accomplished.

[Rhomagus]

The welfare metaphor, while apt in some respects, is a surefire way to get this thread closed down.

Getting more experience points in a video game is a far fetch from the concept of social security in the real world.

I could easily see this digressing into personal attacks and politics that really doesn't apply to XIV, and I would prefer that not happen.

[Xoo]

My post was not meant to offend anyone, as I myself have been on welfare benefits in the past. I agree; You can't really apply real-world scenarios such as these to a game. Not having a source of income means you don't eat, and receiving bonus EXP in a video game means just about fuck all in comparison.