Quit Ruining The General Discussions

[aesteval]

Are you really shock at why this thread is coming up?
It is just matter of time until forum can no longer take this type of daily dramatic, hyperbole, and illogical ranting.

And yet this thread is contributing to the problems that you listed.

[KaivaC]

I blame SE for not communicating tbh, if they responded more, people would not feel complied to be heard by making their own thread. There are threads here that even did the "mega thread" route and they get ignored too.

What did you hope to achieve by this? surely you saw your self this could been seen as "another negative" thread? You could spun this differently to try get people to do more "mega thread" type mentality to overall achieve the same point, doing it that way wouldn't sound so "people bashing"

but even with that we saw the "mega thread" thing not work so now what?

Alright, I'll bite. Let's see where this goes.

You yourself have attacked a lot of posters - if the point of your complaints was to highlight a lot of the things that the devs are doing wrong, why feel the need to attack other posters who have disagreed with you? Even in the beginning of some of your threads, when things began civil, you started telling folks that either 'they don't understand', or 'they are white knighting', or 'they just don't want to see that they are wrong'. If you are so convinced that we should have better communication (which I do happen to agree with, we share the same point on that matter), why sabotage all the complaints you've been making by...insulting those who disagree with you? Even when I addressed you in another thread, even when I stated that while I disagreed with you, you had some valid points; everything that you insisted boiled down to 'my way or the highway'. As just an example, you want better communication, but why would the devs want to communicate if every complaint thread is chock full of insults back and forth? You had good intentions, I'll give you that - but it does no good if personal insults are what you resort to just to get your point across. It does no good if you attack folks who disagree even slightly with one point and agree with another - the way you've been carrying on, it's as if those who have split opinions on you are essentially in 100% disagreement with you, which sometimes is not the case at all.

Again, it's fine to complain. But complaints lose their value once you start insulting others, and then reminding them that you are unsubbed or unsubbing. Now, my response here was specific to you. The start of the thread was not. Keep that in mind.

I'm getting tired of people fixating on one word in my post and not reading them.

My point was that we would end up with "approved" negative topics. People would be just as negative about things like "how bad players suck in savage pugs" or in duty finder in general, because it's a topic that apparently people can be negative in one way and its ok, because we all know how bad baddies are. A good example in the past were topics on royal menagerie; if you even suggested it might be hard for a story fight, watch the wagons circle around and watch people get jumped on no matter how civil they were.

So if we are telling people to stop being negative and bringing the forums down, i want it all across the board. I don't want to hear your grumbling about the playerbase or how hard savage is because of all the pugs. Get rid of the "tales from duty finder thread," that's as negative as anything out there because it constantly fosters the idea this playerbase sucks and can't even do simple things.

You are tired of people fixating on 'one word', but that's exactly what you did with your last couple responses. And you missed the point. Yes, I have complained before...but I didn't go around reposting it or variations of it multiple times in a short timeframe (which in this case is mere days). At the worst, I waited a good few weeks before starting either on another subject or a related subject. I didn't flood the front page with comments about related things - I barely left my own thread to engage others in discussions. You fixated on a few points and missed the rest of what I have been saying. But, I'm glad you brought up the Tales from the Duty Finder. See, the thing about the duty finder thread is...it's a vent thread that is consolidated. You don't see vent after vent after vent within a few days of how badly people did in an instance. The few times people do post outside of that thread, they are usually new to these forums. Do I expect or want that to happen with everything else? No...that's not what I'm suggesting. People are rightfully angry - it's the repeated threads popping up one after another in such a short succession that I feel that it's become overwhelmingly negative in GD. As far as savage pugs, the player base, and all that other stuff is concerned, that's something for another time, likely by somebody else.

[NephthysVasudan]

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[InkstainedGwyn]

So much black-and-white on these forums (and all forums on the internet, I'm aware. I've seen flame wars you wouldn't believe on knitting forums.) On both sides. If you say anything good about SE, you're a "white knight". If you suggest ways for people to improve themselves (and no, I'm not talking about 'git gud', I've seen very thorough and helpful discussions on here) you're an "elitist". If you ask for people to put some thought into their complaints and present them in an organized manner, you're "telling them not to post". If you try to point out unfair or bad aspects of a topic, event, item, or element, you're "nothing but a naysayer". Are there white knights here? Yes. Are there elitists on here? Yes. Are there folks who want to censor discussions they don't like? Yes. Are there constant naysayers on here? Yes. Their existence, however, does not then necessitate that every person who posts falls into one of those categories.

While I may not agree with some of the more extreme verbiage in some of the posts on here, I think the biggest point that I agree with - and that most people agreeing with this thread have stated - is not that they want complainers to "shut up" or any topics to be taboo. We just want moderation and consideration. Insulting people who disagree with you isn't professional or mature. Using terms like "white knight" and "elitist" with every other word sounds a lot like you're just attempting to shut up people you don't agree with. Flooding the forums with the same complaint isn't productive - it's already been noted that length of thread is what gets noticed, not volume of threads. By all means, express your discontent. I've expressed mine more than once. But if people are expressing it to actually see changes made, then why are they so against doing it in a way that has a better chance of being acknowledged?

You want proof, look at the last few months of forum posts. The three I can think of offhand that got moderator posts are: 1) Ungarmax, 2) Glamour dresser retrieval, 3) Eureka. 1) was addressed because it was what the devs considered a game-breaking bug, and they wanted to stem the rumours before they got too bad. Damage control. 2) was addressed because it was a request for factual information. 3) was addressed because the thread jumped up to almost a hundred pages in just a day or two. It was overwhelming. And on the same vein, even though I don't think it was recent, the "Guys' cool glamour" thread got a response when it was super-long, too. They're not going to jump in on complaint threads because the questions asked are usually rhetorical, or if they are actual requests for information, they're answers that even the devs wouldn't have (what's the long-term goal for the game, are we going to go free-to-play, how dare you do this thing?) And if they're not actually reading each thread, then seeing them pop up, go for 5-15 pages, then die seems more like they're not really that important.

I don't want people to stop complaining. I don't want this forum to be an echo chamber. I want this forum to be a place where people can discuss topics, and where concerns can actually be filtered and addressed. But it's hard to have discussions when people are spamming the same thing over and over again (where do you take the discussion? Which of the 30 different threads?) or angrily typing insults and refusing to actually engage in a discussion. ("O.o You must be insane for thinking such a thing." isn't really good for continuing conversations, you know?)

[RiyahArp]

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At least I make an effort to understand those last two points. If I don't respond, I generally agree or don't contest the rest of them because of space issues.

and ok, let's just have megathreads. Let's limit comments. The next thing you will do, and I guarantee, is complain at how dead the general forum is becoming. Yes, people are negative, but this is because the game really isnt giving us anything to be positive about at the moment, and usually positive things limit or drive out negative. If we are getting these threads, a lot of it has to do with how unsatisfying things like Eureka has been, or that the only news is what's new on the cash shop or that we are getting a new sub-optional app. You can't just say "let's not be negative" or limit it, because then we end up like the pvp forum, silent.

[Seig345]

Personally, posting multiple threads on different angles of the same topic always comes across as a kid throwing a tantrum. "One thread didn't get their attention, so I'll make more!" Honestly it just kills the credibility of the individual for me.

You can point your finger at how "horrible" things are and how much that upsets you, how no one listened to that first thread, how "darn it!" *fist into palm* something must be done!", but that doesn't somehow absolve the harm you do to your own credibility when you spam threads on a single topic. If no one cared the first time, yelling louder isn't going to change that the next time.

[Linx0r]

So, 8 pages about complaining about others complaining?

This topic is waaaaaaaaaaay too long. Couldn't we have kept a TL;DR version down to less than a page? sigh, reading through the forums takes time, and now I'm bored. Can we just make the forums an EMOJI or MEME ONLY template? That would be much more entertaining than the OP's (and other's whining and complaining about EVERYTHING) topics. Honestly, at the end of the day, people will think what they want to think, write what they want to write, and complain about whatever else they want. Like the game, the forum is OPTIONAL. YOU DON'T HAVE TO WRITE OR READ ANYTHING! The fix? Write a POSITIVE thread.

[Sigma-Astra]

We are on the forum for a game. Users have a right to provide feedback to devs. End. Of. Discussion. The forums ARE the most direct way to leave feedback.

Which you are right in that aspect and that's fine. But, did it ever occur to the people having a problem with SE that we do have a "Website Feedback & Suggestions" sub thread? Did anyone know that it existed at all? Wouldn't it make more sense to voice your complaints there where it's easier for the moderators to find it and then possibly send it off towards the director/developers instead of 10 different General Discussion topics all talking about the same thing that all get bumped in and off the front page like crazy daily sporadically? I want to also add that you've cherry picked one comment from my entire paragraph just to suit your own narrative for that stance when I elaborated much more than just that one set of lines you seemed to want to use. I never said that they couldn't complain on the forums, just that 10 different topics is a little much for any moderator to shift through.

They didn't really state that those people couldn't complain honestly, just that the constant bandwagoning effect is getting a little old which I think we can all agree on here. If you're unhappy with a company and/or its products, then leaving and letting the company directly know why you're leaving is the best course of action that you can take, instead of sitting there and making 100 forum posts over the course of a week voicing the same complaint over and over in various different ways acting as if the reps will actually bother to look through a Sea of Threads for your feedback.

Being a moderator on any kind of public forum is more or less a voluntary position that pays nothing and rewards you with nothing and quite possibly the most mindless and numbing thing to do. No moderator is going to want to shift through 10 different threads all voicing the same complaints being spoken in several different ways and tones...nor want to compile all of that information from 10 different threads and put it together into one cohesive feedback report to the director/developers.

"Website Feedback and Suggestions" sounds like it's asking for feedback and suggestions for the website and not the game. Additionally, feedback at times can make valuable use of back and forth discussion. If General Discussions is the most active area, seems like it would be the place to bring something up. If something is misposted, we do have moderators who, as we have seen, move topics to appropriate areas.

Edit: I've looked in that thread, you have people suggesting things about chocobo barding, the mogstation, PvP queue and rankings, etc. It is most certainly not just for the website, but also for the game. All kinds of stuff really. And since none of those topics were moved by the moderators, clearly, they belong there.

Who on earth puts a posting limit on a forum? Seriously, SE? No other forum does this and it's so annoying when you're trying to have a discussion with people and you're cockblocked by an archaic forum design. >_<;

[aesteval]

Which you are right in that aspect and that's fine. But, did it ever occur to the people having a problem with SE that we do have a "Website Feedback & Suggestions" sub thread? Did anyone know that it existed at all? Wouldn't it make more sense to voice your complaints there where it's easier for the moderators to find it and then possibly send it off towards the director/developers instead of 10 different General Discussion topics all talking about the same thing that all get bumped in and off the front page like crazy daily sporadically?

"Website Feedback and Suggestions" sounds like it's asking for feedback and suggestions for the website and not the game. Additionally, feedback at times can make valuable use of back and forth discussion. If General Discussions is the most active area, seems like it would be the place to bring something up. If something is misposted, we do have moderators who, as we have seen, move topics to appropriate areas.

[Pastahnak]

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