Quit Ruining The General Discussions

[Avatre]

If you can post here complaining that others are making threads complaining about the direction this game is going, then you possess the very right they have: freedom of expression. I would rather see my community be vocal about the things they don’t like, rather than silently leave as you’re requesting.

That's not what they are requesting. They are requesting the over hostility towards those who aren't sharing the same view stop. By all means, people should debate - respectful of each others opinions - these changes, and the direction that SE is going. But calling people white knights just because they don't share the same views, and insulting them, saying they are idiots, and all the other overly aggressive things that have been going on, those are the things Kaiva is saying need to stop.

[CainCrimson]

Perception of posters:


Actuality of posters:

[aesteval]

They didn't really state that those people couldn't complain honestly, just that the constant bandwagoning effect is getting a little old which I think we can all agree on here. If you're unhappy with a company and/or its products, then leaving and letting the company directly know why you're leaving

We are on the forum for a game. Users have a right to provide feedback to devs. End. Of. Discussion. The forums ARE the most direct way to leave feedback.

[Ladykria]

Even I don't take the general forums seriously anymore.

[Sigma-Astra]

We are on the forum for a game. Users have a right to provide feedback to devs. End. Of. Discussion. The forums ARE the most direct way to leave feedback.

Which you are right in that aspect and that's fine. But, did it ever occur to the people having a problem with SE that we do have a "Website Feedback & Suggestions" sub thread? Did anyone know that it existed at all? Wouldn't it make more sense to voice your complaints there where it's easier for the moderators to find it and then possibly send it off towards the director/developers instead of 10 different General Discussion topics all talking about the same thing that all get bumped in and off the front page like crazy daily sporadically? I want to also add that you've cherry picked one comment from my entire paragraph just to suit your own narrative for that stance when I elaborated much more than just that one set of lines you seemed to want to use. I never said that they couldn't complain on the forums, just that 10 different topics is a little much for any moderator to shift through.

They didn't really state that those people couldn't complain honestly, just that the constant bandwagoning effect is getting a little old which I think we can all agree on here. If you're unhappy with a company and/or its products, then leaving and letting the company directly know why you're leaving is the best course of action that you can take, instead of sitting there and making 100 forum posts over the course of a week voicing the same complaint over and over in various different ways acting as if the reps will actually bother to look through a Sea of Threads for your feedback.

Being a moderator on any kind of public forum is more or less a voluntary position that pays nothing and rewards you with nothing and quite possibly the most mindless and numbing thing to do. No moderator is going to want to shift through 10 different threads all voicing the same complaints being spoken in several different ways and tones...nor want to compile all of that information from 10 different threads and put it together into one cohesive feedback report to the director/developers.

"Website Feedback and Suggestions" sounds like it's asking for feedback and suggestions for the website and not the game. Additionally, feedback at times can make valuable use of back and forth discussion. If General Discussions is the most active area, seems like it would be the place to bring something up. If something is misposted, we do have moderators who, as we have seen, move topics to appropriate areas.

Edit: I've looked in that thread, you have people suggesting things about chocobo barding, the mogstation, PvP queue and rankings, etc. It is most certainly not just for the website, but also for the game. All kinds of stuff really. And since none of those topics were moved by the moderators, clearly, they belong there.

Who on earth puts a posting limit on a forum? Seriously, SE? No other forum does this and it's so annoying when you're trying to have a discussion with people and you're cockblocked by an archaic forum design. >_<;

[Kaitoo]

A forum is not a safeplace/echo chamber

[Enlial]

If you want to go, then go. If you want to leave feedback for your dissatisfaction, there are places you can go.

[Lilseph]

[RiyahArp]

1. If you want a big happy place, trust me, they get boring. The negative threads get prominence because there is nothing to talk about in game, because there is very little content we all haven't done 5 million times. Look at the reddit right now, most of the posts are boring trivia.

2. It gets heated because these things matter. All the people defending stuff gives SE the go-ahead to keep doing it. People get mad about whales because they have seen what games that cater to whales in other games become over time. Whales is a general term though, it just means high spenders.

3. This would just devolve into approved negative threads. If negativity needs to go, stfu about how hard savage is or how bad pugs and duty finder are.

[Sigma-Astra]

2. It gets heated because these things matter. All the people defending stuff gives SE the go-ahead to keep doing it. People get mad about whales because they have seen what games that cater to whales in other games become over time. Whales is a general term though, it just means high spenders.

Then, why can't people just say high spenders or people with more of a disposable income? Why do we need to use derogatory names to section off a portion of the playerbase that's capable of purchasing optional content just because a choice few cannot or will not? Should the people that you're calling "whales" start calling the other side as "entitled, whining children" for wanting it free in-game, cheaper, or not at all? Should that side start calling those people "cheapskates"?

The answer is no on both accounts. We need to stop the name-calling and insulting of other players just because they can spend money on something they want and you want at the same time, but you're not willing to pay for it at it's full price or don't want it there period.