Quit Ruining The General Discussions

[Rhus]

I agree. I like to post when I can and on what topics I have a view on or want to post my 2 cents in. It seems though that at the moment every topic is about how people hate this and that and the next thing and I just don't want to get involved in multi-page rants and arguments between 2/3 users. You get the occasional nice topic and it's soon washed off by a multitude of negative topics again...or recently topics poking fun at the negatives like "why I stay subbed" or whatever. I'm sure it's made in fun and jest but it then dilutes into a rant about the very topic it was poking fun at.

[spf1200]

Wow it is almost like people are pissed off or something and letting SE know. You must be new to these forums cause this isn't anything new or unexpected

[LaylaTsarra]

Best to put the offenders on ignore. Shame their threads aren't hidden and sadly many here just continue to reply to them and give them the attention they seek.

[Deceptus]

You say "quit ruining the general discussion", but a quick look at the front page of it shows that of the 20 top topics, only 5 are negative in nature. 25%.

If a minority of negative threads is ruining something for you, perhaps you are the one who should take a break. It seems to me you yourself are only focusing on the negative and looking for a problem that isn't there.

It's a General discussion forum. You're going to find good and bad opinions, just like in life.

Like I said in my specific thread, if the devs were REALLY concerned about the forum clutter they should create a megathread regarding the issue. But then that would acknowledge there is actually dissent and they're not going to do that right before a feature roll out.

About the Original Post:

You do understand how effective protests work don't you? They cause a small amount of discomfort in an effort to make a change. You're unhappy, taken out of your comfort zone? Good. But things like (paraphrasing mine):

1)If you are unsubbing, then leave. Don't continue coming here, arguing with everybody you see in your radar, and then finish your posts with saying how much time you have left, as if anybody here is supposed to feel sorry for you.

2) Quit being a bandwagon on this train of "FFXIV is in major problem territory"

3) If you want to go, then go. If you want to leave feedback for your dissatisfaction, there are places you can go.

4) At the most, the mods will look at your thread to ensure no harassment, language, or serious personal attacks are occurring.

5) Just continue to complain for no reason at all. Because that's how dissatisfied customers do things these days.

So regarding point 1 and 2 you're basically becoming the thought police telling people how they can think and how they can express themselves. Yeah, that'll go over well.

Point 3 The general discussion forum is a place where you can leave feedback. There's not really any place else that gets eyes, the other forums are largely dead. People congregate where the most eyes are on topics that are important to them.

Point 4 Now you're just trying to scare people into not posting their feelings. That's shameful.

And then in point 5 you just straight out go and try to insult people for things you disagree with.

[ko_]

I agree with the op for one reason. I remember a thread in which a poster was explaining why they are loving XIV and then those same posters who are complaining went to THAt thread and told the OP why she shouldn't like the game. THAT I feel went too far. So I can understand the OP in this context.

[Lord_Umbra]

I agree with the op for one reason. I remember a thread in which a poster was explaining why they are loving XIV and then those same posters who are complaining went to THAt thread and told the OP why she shouldn't like the game. THAT I feel went too far. So I can understand the OP in this context.

Fairly standard of both sides, just like all people who hop into the negative threads to tell them how opinions wrong should love the game & devs unconditionally.

[Remedi]

The reactions to this thread actually gives credit to Kaivac's point. This is not against complaining it's about how it's done and how ppl relate to each other while doing that.
Yet this is taken as a wish to censoring the voice, which is not

[SkyEdge1]

I agree with the op for one reason. I remember a thread in which a poster was explaining why they are loving XIV and then those same posters who are complaining went to THAt thread and told the OP why she shouldn't like the game. THAT I feel went too far. So I can understand the OP in this context.

I actually saw that, what was it less than a week ago? Kinda ridiculous that those certain individuals need that much damn attention. But on topic my biggest gripe is that there's a new thread posted near daily, keep it in one bloody thread, instead of everyone making a new one to voice a repeated opinion.

[Tridus]

In what will certainly be a minority opinion, I'd like to see the post per day limit get turned down. Why?

The problem isn't complaining. As was shown a page back from YoshiP's slide, people who are complaining by and large are doing so because they care. It's the ones who silently leave that are bad for business. A certain amount of complaining is expected, and even healthy.

Speaking as a software developer... is it fun to get complaints? No, not really. We all like to be praised. Is it useful to get complaints? Extremely. If I build an app for a client and something doesn't work well for their business, I want to know about it. That feedback can lead to immediate improvements in the product and happier clients.*

But what I don't need is the same feedback 50 times from the same person. That's where the real problem is. You get a few people who get really passionate and the next thing you know you have five ongoing threads all full of the same people complaining about the same things. That isn't useful, it's just noise. In that sense, fewer posts lowers the noise somewhat while still allowing the complaints to get through.


*(An old saying we have at the office is "the customer can't articulate what they want, but they know what they hate." Given enough feedback from one person, you can derive what they like from just hearing what they don't.)

[InkstainedGwyn]

But what I don't need is the same feedback 50 times from the same person.

Not that anybody who's already made up their mind is going to consider this concept, but yeah. I don't want people to stop complaining or expressing opinions, but I promise you that if all you do is scream that the sky is falling, people will eventually stop listening to you. And that includes the mods. And while I am quite generous with my blacklist, due to the way it's set up I will still see these complaints when they're responded to (or I'll still see the threads).

The thing that annoys me the most is when people go into threads that have nothing to do with controversial issues and bring said controversial issue into it. I'm doing my part to ignore the threads I don't want to read (as I'm told all the time: you don't want to hear it, don't come into the thread.) But when I go into a thread about gpose tips and three comments on the first page are "confirmed 4.4 you can only use gpose if you pay an additional fee look forward to it"-style comments, that's not helpful. Believe it or not, people are allowed to enjoy aspects of the game that don't have anything to do with the controversial issues, and want to talk about those topics.

When 1/3 of an item or feature suggestions thread is "you'll have to pay $100 on mog shop for this pls look forward to it" or "can't happen server limitations lulz", you're actually stifling conversations and suggestions as to how we can improve the game. I get warning people that things have been tried or already commented by the devs that it wouldn't work, but if you really want to encourage the game to get better (as you all say, and I want to believe), then you shouldn't shut people up from making suggestions because you want a quick "like" from making a joke about [insert newest drama point here].